No. > On 4. Mar 2018, at 01:51, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Would it be an easy fix to change the text/font such that it does not affect > performance so significantly on MacOS? > > On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 5:20 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> wrote: > On 03/03/2018 07:33 AM, Jeff Young wrote: > Hi Andrey, > > I did some profiling and I’d guess that the difference in eeschema and > pcbnew-legacy performance is down to there being more text in the schema. > Since we use a stroke font, there’s a lot of stroke segments in each letter. > > @Devs, > > I understand why we use a stroke font on the PCB, but there’s not much reason > in eeschema, is there? > > This is possibly one of the things that I plan on changing after the new > schematic file format is written. The new file format will support font > definitions so replacing the stroke font in Eeschema should be doable. > Whether or not I have time to make this change remains to be seen. > > Wayne > > > Cheers, > Jeff. > > > On 3 Mar 2018, at 08:18, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > The motherboard project is not very complex, I would say that performance > should be tolerable UP to that size complexity, if we set the bar any lower, > usability will suffer and people won't like KiCad because it's sluggish and > interface lag is the worst kind of lag. > My project isn't finished and Chris' project is available now, is just the > right complexity and has layout that can be used for testing as well as a > schematic. > > *LG 5K 27" display running 3200x1800 (the highest resolution without making > text blurry, using this for work every day, so it's extravagant, it's > practical)* > > *Actions:* pan with middle mouse, zoom back and forth. > > *eeschema:* > Low Res - at least 2 times slower than would be considered normal, I would > have to guess ~400ms lag > Normal - 4-5x slower compared to low res mode ~1700ms lag > Even in low res mode, and removing 75% of the items from Chris' schematic, > the lag is still ~200-300ms, that's just not right. Additionally, I filed > https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054> because the mouse zoom is > screwed up in eeschema, coupled with the lag, it's unusable. Maybe the pan > lag is related to the zoom, maybe there are multiple steps being rendered > when it should just jump to where the mouse ended up at, I don't know. > > *pcbnew - **Normal Resolution:* > Accelerated: No-AA, <50ms > Fallback: 500-1000ms for panning, 300-600ms for zoom > Legacy: 1300-1700ms for panning, 600ms for zoom > Low Res mode: did not notice speed increase, except maybe Fallback was ~400ms > faster. > > I'm not saying halt the horses, certain modes are obviously limited, ie > Legacy and Fallback by the nature of the task presented, but eeschema is > barely displaying 10% of the content pcbnew is but lagging so much worse! > > Just thought I'd include rendering of the Accelerated Graphics (top to > bottom: Supersampling 4x, Subpixel AA (Ultra Quality), No AA) > All 3 modes are responsive, probably <50-100ms lag, I'd consider this > performance great, considering the amount of elements on screen. > <image.png> > > How long should it take to delete this many selected elements in pcbnew? > Answer: about 50x too long! I think it was like 3mins, perhaps ESC key should > be available to press anytime to undo the delete action and restore to > pre-delete screen when accidental actions are triggered that take forever to > complete? > <image.png> > > On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Bernhard Stegmaier <stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>> wrote: > > Hi, > > to be honest, I don’t really know what this is about. > > @Andrey: > You looked for a very complex (foreign) project (Chris mainboard?) > to prove that eeschema is slow on Mac? > Well, we know that and we told you already some weeks/months ago > why it is like it is (if memory serves me right). > > Or, do you have an own project that is so ridiculously slow, that > you can’t work with it? > If so, please provide it so that we can analyse why this specific > project behaves like that. > If you can’t or don’t want to provide it we could tell you how to > do some performance measurements so that we might see something. > > Obviously, there are a number of Mac users here and also over at > the KiCad forum who might also be happy to get some more > performance here and there, but who are in general reasonably able > to work on their projects (including myself, on a 2012 Retina > MacBook with only an i5). > > > Regards, > Bernhard > > > On 2. Mar 2018, at 17:59, Andy Peters <de...@latke.net > <mailto:de...@latke.net> > <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Mar 1, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Seth Hillbrand > <seth.hillbr...@gmail.com <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > >> > >> Andrey- > >> > >> I'm moving this to a new thread so that we don't conflate the > OpenMP discussion with this. > >> > >> Can you test running Kicad with the "Open in Low Resolution" > mode enabled? You can activate this by choosing "Get Info" on the > main KiCad application and checking the option that says "Open in > Low Resolution". You may need to do the same for the other > applications (Eeschema, pcbnew, etc) as well. > > > > testing on my 2017” touch-bar MBP … > > > > Good g-d, low-res mode looks fuzzy and weird! > > > > I don’t notice any specific differences in EESchema performance. > Maybe my schematic isn’t busy enough? I’m a fan of using more > smaller sheets with less info on each than one big sheet with > everything. > > > > I know, anecdote is not evidence. > > > > -a > > > > > >> > >> -Seth > >> > >> 2018-03-01 18:09 GMT-08:00 Andrey Kuznetsov > <kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>>: > >> Hi, > >> > >> So for now I've had a chance to test the motherboard project on > my Retina macbook display. > >> eeschema: horrible zoom, feels like elastic band zoom and I > have all scroll wheel accelerations and similar disabled, zoom > response is super laggy, cannot work like this, will need to make > schematics on windows. > >> pcbnew by order of slowness: > >> legacy - pretty slow, zoom lag is major, boo boo > >> modern (fallback) - decent, but the lag can be felt, zoom lag > is minor > >> modern (accelerated) - almost cannot feel the lag, very nice, > nice zoom responsiveness > >> > >> I'll report tomorrow on 5K LG display. > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net>> > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>> > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net>> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>> > > > > > -- > Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future > Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the future > [JFK] > > kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > Live Long and Prosper, > Andrey > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net>> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > > > -- > Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future > Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the future > [JFK] > > kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > Live Long and Prosper, > Andrey > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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