All righty that was a short lurk :) enough people indicated in emails that I realy wasn't that bad... well that and I had one of those just about to fallasleep mental statements that I had to write down :) Note this was copy/pasted from pine :) sorry for the weird indention :) I was watching 20/20 the other day and they had this segment on women in some country (don't recall which off hand)... where increasingly men in that country were spraying sulfuric acid on thier faces if they didn't do what they wanted them to do... it was a country where a woman has almost no identity until she marries... the sulfuric acid would harm them in ways such as burning away eyes and ears though more often just leaving thier faces increadably mangled... at the end of this segment they mentioned that sulfuric acid was cheap and easy to come by there (used in car batteries)... and that there is a movement to get a law passed to hold the peope who sell sulfuric acid liable if it's used to attack women (the segment also implyied that this law was needed and would help)... I realy don't understand this logic... there is also a law that is being pushed all over the country (dworkin/mackinnon)... one of the clauses in this law says that if a person commits an act of assult on a person because of pornography... the pornographer can be held liable... This logic makes as much sense to me as holding radioshack resposible if someone stabs someone else with a screwdriver they baught from them or even better... if a woman decides to kill men with an ice pick because she saw it done in "Basic Instict" to hold the publishers of that movie liable... Now haveing said that we have social side effects of porn or more precicely women in media... fasion mags that claim that women are too fat and the one's that aren't too fat are too stupid... in an email I got someone talked about things as simple as titles... ie: "Big Boobie Babes" or "Super Suck Sluts" instead of "Joyus Jordan and Julie" (hopefuly I paraphrased that enough to avoid plaguizm... don't recall that much aliteration in the original email :) ) Yes this happens to men as well but it's easyer to find "your ok" messages and in porn there is usualy a guys name as apposed to an object (even if it's an alias) (ie. long dong silver, fabio, etc)... Almost all media has some form of impact no matter how large or small so one might say fictional "Jill" shouln't be alowed to sell movies of herself being objectified since it will have the impact of objectifying women in general... however (pull out a random article from a news paper) ahh... my county might not be ready for y2k... which instills fear and may lead to panic which can cause many a bad things to happen... media (be it books, movies, newspapers, etc) has impact, has influence not always those that a person wants or intends but the ability of other people to create material that may influence us in ways we don't like, alows us to create material that may influence others in ways they might not like.... Also objectification didn't come from porn or the media... the people who created the media had to feel it was right else wise before they made it... people who consume it has to feel it's ok to purchase the material as well... so I don't belive it originated from media... it's historical and cultural... and as time goes on women are being treated less and less like ojbects (at least from what I've seen in my little (rose colored?) glasses... and if media is a reflection of societys views compare "Sound of Music" with any recent movie of similar caliber (esp. "I am sixteen going seventeen") so to round this out my non-sequidor question :) : What can I (or other males on this list) do to bring more identity and understanding from men to women if anything? Peace, Chris aka curious PS Thanks go to JD Catron for enlightening me more about womens issues in this world :) PPS: hmmms there are proly better lists for me to address these issues on feel free to email me the location of a better place, and thanks for your patience :) /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail http://www.curious.org/ / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "This quote is false." -anon ************ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
