Hi Bill, thank you for this piece of education.
If the current form is grammatically incorrect, we should fix it (my preference is "Properties of Sequence Numbers"). If it is just an unusual form, that causes no confusion, then perhaps we can keep it. I have no problem with renaming, but, I'd like to hear from others on this. Regards and Happy New Year, Valery. > Valery, > > In English, adjectives are *never* declined. So, whether you are referring > to a > single number or a set of numbers, it must always be written as "Sequence > Number Properties". > > However, if you need to bring the plural into the equation, the fix is > simple: you just write "Properties of Sequence Numbers". > > So, you have two choices: > 1) change "Numbers" to "Number" or > 2) change "Sequence Number Properties" to "Properties of Sequence > Numbers". > > This change will need to be done in the Abstract as well as in the body of the > draft. > > > Bill Atwood > > On 12/12/2024 3:43 AM, Valery Smyslov wrote: > > Attention This email originates from outside the concordia.ca domain. // Ce > courriel provient de l'extérieur du domaine de concordia.ca > > > > Hi Antony, > > > >> Hi Tero, > >> I support advancing this document. > >> > >> Valery, > >> I wonder Number or Numbers. May be double check? > >> I think following are the correct use, in singular. > > > > My reasoning for using plural form is that we here are speaking about the > > properties > > of not a single sequence number (in some packet sent by some sender), > > but about the properties that sequence numbers from all packets of a given > > SA (as a whole) hold. > > > > Perhaps this is not a good argument from native speaker PoV, > > so I'm open for suggestions and corrections :-) > > > >> "Sequence Number Properties (SNP)" instead of "Sequence Numbers > Properties > >> (SNP)" > >> > >> "Partially Transmitted 64-bit Sequential Number" instead of "Partially > > Transmitted > >> 64-bit Sequential Numbers" > >> > >> "No Extended Sequence Number" instead of "No Extended Sequence > Numbers" to > > > > "No Extended Sequence Numbers" (as well as "Extended Sequence > Numbers") > > is the existing name of transform ID in the RFC7296, so this case is > > correct. > > > >> RFC4303 use mostly singular for ESN, only in Appendix A it use plural. > > > > That's right, but only when it defines how a single sequence number is > > generated > > and verified, thus it is appropriate to use singular form. > > > > When RFC 4303 speaks about the properties of sequence number as a whole, > > (whether they are 32-bit SN or 64-bit ESN), it uses plural form. See Section > > 2.2.1, 3.4.2 > > as examples. > > > > Regards, > > Valery. > > > > > >> > >> -antony > >> > >> On Fri, Dec 06, 2024 at 02:17:30AM +0200, Tero Kivinen wrote: > >>> As we talked earlied when doing g-ikev2 IETF last call, the text > >>> talking about renaming ESN transform type got separated to this new > >>> draft, and this will start one (1) week working group last call of the > >>> draft. > >>> > >>> I try to make this fast so it can catch up the g-ikev2 draft (which is > >>> in IETF LC until 2024-12-10), so unless we get objections during WGLC, > >>> I will request publication of ths draft almst immediately after the > >>> WGLC ends. > >>> > >>> Send your comments about the draft to the ipsec list before > >>> 2024-12-13. > >>> -- > >>> kivi...@iki.fi > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> IPsec mailing list -- ipsec@ietf.org > >>> To unsubscribe send an email to ipsec-le...@ietf.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > IPsec mailing list -- ipsec@ietf.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to ipsec-le...@ietf.org > > -- > Dr. J.W. Atwood, Eng. tel: +1 (514) 848-2424 x3046 > Distinguished Professor Emeritus fax: +1 (514) 848-2830 > Department of Computer Science > and Software Engineering > Concordia University ER 1234 email:william.atw...@concordia.ca > 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd. West http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~bill > Montreal, Quebec Canada H3G 1M8 > > _______________________________________________ > IPsec mailing list -- ipsec@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to ipsec-le...@ietf.org _______________________________________________ IPsec mailing list -- ipsec@ietf.org To unsubscribe send an email to ipsec-le...@ietf.org
