On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 06:10:10PM -0600, Nicolas Williams wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 12:27:26AM +0200, Yaron Sheffer wrote:
> > - The current draft
> > (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipsecme-traffic-visibility-11)
> > defines the ESP trailer's ICV calculation to include the WESP header.
> > This has been done to counter certain attacks, but it means that WESP
> > is no longer a simple wrapper around ESP - ESP itself is modified. Do
> > you support this design decision?
> 
> No.
> 
> > - The current draft allows WESP to be applied to encrypted ESP flows,
> > in addition to the originally specified ESP-null. This was intended so
> > that encrypted flows can benefit from the future extensibility offered
> > by WESP. But arguably, it positions WESP as an alternative to ESP. Do
> > you support this design decision?
> 
> I don't fully understand why we actually need this, but I think the
> above is instantly objectionable, while this may be less so.  (Just
> thinking in terms of what changes would be required to existing IPsec
> implementations.)

I believe I understand the issues now, and I believe this extension is
not needed, therefore: No.

Nico
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