At 8:56 PM +0200 1/6/10, Yaron Sheffer wrote:
Hi Steve,

Please reread my text. I was (in that paragraph) taking Manav's side, i.e. assuming there's value in deterministic distinction between encrypted and unencrypted ESP, and hence, gradually moving the endpoints to WESP so that middleboxes have an easier time.

As we know, this opinion is not shared by everyone.

Thanks,
        Yaron

Yaron,

Sorry. I missed that element of the context that you were assuming.

Nonetheless, the analysis I just sent in response to Brian's message suggests that determinism is not possible if we consider the general case of WESP-capable and legacy devices and a mix of encrypted and integrity-only flows. That motivated my response. That analysis is not an opinion :-). But, in fairness, I had not yet generated the analysis when I sent my message, so ...

Steve
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