Russ,

I think we agree here: the end nodes need to validate the WESP header info.

As I noted before, one could do this by modifying the ICV or by explicitly 
checking those 
WESP fields at the end nodes. I think there has been enough feedback to the 
effect that
modifying the ICV is overkill and has some down sides. 

So, ok, I think in the next rev of the draft we should go back to *not* 
modifying the ICV (i.e., not 
including the WESP header fields in the ICV). This would leave WESP as a 
wrapper (as it started).

The other threads and messages are hopefully addressing your other concerns.

thanks,

Gabriel


----- Original Message ----
> From: Russ Housley <hous...@vigilsec.com>
> To: gabriel montenegro <g_e_montene...@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "ipsec@ietf.org" <ipsec@ietf.org>
> Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 2:52:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [IPsec] Traffic visibility - consensus call
> 
> Gabriel:
> 
> > Some of us believe that allowing WESP to carry encrypted packets is within 
> > the 
> charter
> > (there's some recent messages today to this effect). Unfortunately, there's 
> been wording along the lines
> > that the working group realized it was going off-charter, but no such 
> conclusion has been
> > arrived at (and some of us don't share it).
> 
> I see the discussion, but so far, I am not convinced by it.  I'm still 
> listening 
> ...
> 
> > Additionally, allowing WESP to carry encrypted packets does not (at least 
> > in 
> my mind)
> > make it a general alternative for ESP. WESP has certain applicabilities, 
> > and 
> when
> > cooperating with intermediaries is not an issue (e.g., outside of 
> organizational deployments)
> > one could use encrypted ESP packets instead.
> 
> It is a replacement (as opposed to a wrapper) if the portions of the packet 
> that 
> are covered by the ICV are different.
> 
> Russ
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