On 26.10.2008, at 21:59, Pierre Joye wrote:
Hi Lukas,
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
Sebastian, you have not participated in the discussion so far. Now
you post
a rumor you picked up on IRC into an already heated situation. You
do know
full well that it does not require you to point out that this would
indeed
be problematic (since people who are participating in this
discussion are
actually aware of this). So do us all the favor and stop and think
a second
before you post the next time.
Excuse me but while the idea to have an online meeting was great,
sending a mail to ask to attend an online meeting 24 hours before and
on a Friday was not a wised choice. I would have participated too if
it was during this week or the next weekend.
Admittedly the meeting was mainly scheduled to allow Greg, Dmitry/Stas
and at least half a dozen (it was even more in the end) of core
developers that have spend time to follow the discussions and thought
processes to come together. We had the assumption that this was a
sufficiently large and competent group to make a decision on something
that many (including you) have said is important but where neither of
the choices spell doom for PHP, while still not being easy.
Now the people that were not able to attend this IRC meeting can
either accept that there was a sufficient number of people to make a
final decision on something that everybody (obviously also people who
did not attend the meeting) had plenty of time to make their concerns
heard or you can question this approach.
I do agree with Sebastian about not allowing functions and constants
(from a principle point of view, as I barely see any example out there
of NS and procedural code). I'd to say that I do not care about which
symbol is used.
Right, there are plenty people in both camps.
@Greg and Steph: Private discussions are bad. Or are you trying to say
that this list can't be used as a discussion platform (even heated)?
If we like to have a developer only list, let do it, but keep things
in the public area, that's the only way to keep our decision process
transparent for everyone.
As was evident from the discussions in the past weeks, a lot of people
commented, most of which did not spend the necessary time to actually
understand the issues at hand. Given that it did indeed make it
impossible to bring this topic to a conclusion on the list.
As for transparency, I see no issues. The decision process was
entirely transparent, albeit the final decision meeting was not open
to all. Again everybody that cares had weeks/months (actually years)
to bring up his POV. In the end there were 10 people (including both
RMs) that made a final decision and that are prepared to take the blame.
regards,
Lukas Kahwe Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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