Dear Jonas (if I may),
IAST, as you say, is not satisfactory. ISO 15919 is better in this
regard, as it distinguishes ḷ and l̥. IPA uses l̩
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllabic_consonant> for ऌ.
Best regards,
Satyanad Kichenassamy
Le 24/03/2023 à 09:13, Buchholz, Jonas a écrit :
Dear Harry (if I may),
Retroflex l (ळ)is quite common in South Indian Sanskrit manuscripts
and prints. For example, in the Śaiva /Kāñcīmāhātmya/ (a Sanskrit
sthalamāhātmya on the city of Kanchipuram), I find the following
examples just in the first two chapterts: śītal̤a, yugal̤a,
uddhūl̤ita, kāl̤ikā, vakul̤a, nāl̤ikera, dal̤a, niṣkal̤a, sakal̤a,
kramel̤aka, maul̤i…
Sanskrit loanwords in South Indian languages also often reflect the
pronunciation with retroflex l, e.g. the goddes Kālī is called
காளிKāḷi (with retroflex l) in Tamil.
My impression is that there are certain words in which l is quite
consistently replaced by retroflex l, while other words retain then
“normal” l. However, I have not been able to find any consistent
pattern when l becomes retroflex – any insights would be appreciated!
Another question is how retroflex l should be represented in Roman
transliteration. The most straightforward solution would be ḷ (in
analogy with ṭ, ḍ, ṇ, ṣ), which is also the character used for
retroflex l in Tamil transliteration, but in IAST transliteration ḷ is
already reserved for vocalic l (ऌ). As you can see above, I have
tentatively been using l̤ for retroflex l, but I would be happy to
know if any other conventions have been used.
Best wishes,
Jonas Buchholz
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*Betreff:* [INDOLOGY] ळ in south Indian grantha sanskrit manuscripts
Dear list members,
I'm looking at the devanagari transcription of a south indian grantha
manuscript. most consonent l's are the classical sanskrit l i.e. ल but
some words have the letter, ळ .
Some examples are:
प्रक्षाळ्य
नाळिकेरोद्भवं
पादौप्रक्षाळ्याचम्य
मुकुळीकृतिय
पिण्गळाय
वामांघ्र्यब्जदळासह्रिताम्
अण्गुळ्यग्रेण
शुद्धविद्यातत्वव्याप्तसर्वमणळोपेतं
I'm pretty sure this isn't from typist misprints because प्रक्षाळ्य
occcurs many times always spelled with ळ
Any explanations would be appreciated. My understanding is that
sometimes manuscripts were created by one scribe speaking the text and
another scribe writing what he hears. Is that a possible explanation
for the occurance of this letter ळ . I.e. local pronounciation
creeping in.
Thanks,
Harry Spier
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