Murray S. Kucherawy wrote in
 <CAL0qLwaOVZG8_WzK-A7_rm+mmLzA2W0L3G=j56zlypt6be9...@mail.gmail.com>:
 |On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 10:38 AM Steffen Nurpmeso <stef...@sdaoden.eu>
 |wrote:
 |> I truly was of the opinion that referencing the backscatter stuff
 |> is definetely on the table.
 |> It unfortunately is on the table, is it?
 |>
 |
 |Your last message talked about how you think SMTP is crap and the IETF has

No!  Oh no, how could SMTP be crap?  That is a misunderstanding,
and i would surely apologise for such.

 |failed to deal with VERP, which has nothing at all to do with this proposed
 |working group charter.

It .. is a bit, dependent upon if and how SMTP reverse paths
become subject to the IETF DKIM WG.

 |The one before that, to the extent that I can make sense of it, also had
 |nothing at all to do with the charter questions.

That was the one about my kassandras against the notorious
prodding regarding backscatter, hm.

 |Backscatter is on the table only to the extent that we discuss how (and
 |whether) it fits in the scope of what this working group should be
 |developing.

If it really is like that, and only, i apologise to the WG
participants who will have to discuss that SMTP topic in a DKIM
related session.

P.S.: there is also the SMTP VERIFY command, but i think the SMTP
people are about to restrict that to authorized connections only,
i must admit i have not truly followed those discussions, however.
(Ie, then, it could not be used in the forward aka "does this
receiver exist?" direction no more; i think this VERIFY related
problem is why postfix etc went that sender verification approach
the way they did.)

--steffen
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