On 8 Nov 2024, at 16:13, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:

If the goal is to favor running code over mere pontification, I think that's a solid proposal...

That it certainly true. But I think we do want code that is not just running, but is also usable at scale. Maybe that's what's not clear: It doesn't mean that only code made by and for large scale environments will be favored; it's that if you've got an idea, it will win the day if you also have some code and someone can actually test it at scale. If you don't have code, or if the code can't work at scale, and someone else has code that actually works at scale, their proposal will be favored.

...and doesn't even need to be in the WG charter since I think it's in the IETF's charter.

RFC 3935 only says:

   Rough consensus and running code - We make standards based on the
      combined engineering judgement of our participants and our real-
world experience in implementing and deploying our specifications.

While that gets close, it's not terribly strong, and we certainly know WGs in which this doesn't happen. That's why we had the inclination to be explicit in order to set expectations, and to give the chair something specific to point at in the charter. If there's a different way to say it better, I for one think it would be better to have it in there rather than for it to be implicit.

pr
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