On 2019-10-30 4:45 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On 2019-10-07 2:06 AM, Jon Perryman wrote:
I'm saying that IBM can't fix this problem because the problem lies with Unix 
shell design.
IBM can and have fixed the problem! BPXBATCH is so bad they wrote a
replacement AOPBATCH which works just as Kirk describes.
IBM does not consider BPXBATCH bad. AOPBATCH is not a replacement for BPXBATCH. 
The AOP group wanted something different than BPXBATCH. I believe that BPXBATCH 
was documented as running a Unix command but we stacked commands by using the 
semicolon command separator.

How do you know? Do you work for IBM? Only the village idiot would consider BPXBATCH not to be *bad* :) Maybe you've never been unlucky enough to have to use it!


AOPBATCH simply changes the problems. IBM doesn't need to address those 
problems because they are outside the scope of AOP.

Oh, my.  True Blue!

Reminds me of a lawyer defending a hopeless case!

An often-criticized limitation of BPXBATCH is that it does not tolerate
instream data sets or classic data sets as STDIN.  AOPBATCH removes
that limitation and introduces no new limitations (AFAIK?)  Stacked
commands using a semicolon separator do not allow "#" comments.
Comments are widely considered a valuable aspect of coding technique.

To paraphrase; BPXBATCH sucks!

I have used COZBATCH for years but recently had a requirement to be able to ship something similar so we could install a web application from a PAX member using a batch job. I wrote my own batch shell utility using a tip from Kirk Wolf. It was very simple to implement, another reason why it's so disappointing that BPXBATCH is so wretched.

Anyway, we already had this conversation 10 years ago and it's not worth dragging it up again.


Are you arguing for a semantic distinction between "fixing a problem"
and "removing an onerous limitation"?

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