David, That's great, David,M what type product are you involved with ?
Scott On Oct 19, 2017, 7:50 AM -0400, David Crayford <[email protected]>, wrote: > Scott, > > Our customers do read manuals. In fact, they raise bug reports when they > find something that isn't correct. The manual is the most important > piece of documentation you supply a customer so if your customers don't > read manuals then that's a worry! > > > On 19/10/2017 7:35 PM, scott Ford wrote: > > David, > > > > Yes sir...I sometimes feel some customers forgot how to read...I know they > > don't read manuals, been there done that and have numerous t-shirts. > > > > Scott > > > > On Oct 19, 2017, 7:31 AM -0400, David Crayford <[email protected]>, wrote: > > > I don't agree. WTORs are an anachronism but SYSLOG is one of the best > > > things about z/OS systems. When you consider sophisticated modern tools > > > like Splunk and the ELK stack the syslog looks better than ever. > > > > > > On 19/10/2017 7:37 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > > > > That's almost funny. Console output, and SYSLOG has been a complete > > > > morass of feces for decades, and it continuously gets worse. A large > > > > percentage of programmers seem to think every twitch and twiddle of > > > > their precious program deserves to be announced via WTO (I call it > > > > WTO diarrhea). > > > > > > > > No one goes in there unless looking for something specific. And it > > > > seems fairly unlikely to me that someone would go looking for > > > > expiration warnings. > > > > > > > > sas > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Lester, Bob <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > IMHO, console messages should be sufficient. Compuware, for example, > > > > > makes them hard to miss! > > > > > > > > > > OTOH, the above depends on someone/something actually monitoring the > > > > > console. That’s something that seems to be going away, and I think > > > > > that's just plain wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > BobL > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
