Steve, Those are strong words. I came up through the ranks so I learned how to have "system programmer" eyes, looking for errors. Then went into Systems Programming and then Development. What I have noticed is more complaining about console messages flooding consoles, instead of people learning MPF. I also realize that not all people/customers are like us 40 yr experienced T-Rex's. I have actually had a very well known customer wanting us to suppress error messages...which was the stupidest thing I ever heard. Then complaining when they had issues. This was for a mission critical piece of software as important as RACF...
Bottom line, I don't know what the answer is ..for console messages any more.. Scott On Oct 19, 2017, 2:43 AM -0400, Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM <[email protected]>, wrote: > We have all syslogs scanned every morning and interesting messages extracted > and emailed. > > Kees. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of Steve Smith > > Sent: 19 October, 2017 1:38 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Console Messages (was Re: Potential stupid question - MSUs) > > > > That's almost funny. Console output, and SYSLOG has been a complete > > morass of feces for decades, and it continuously gets worse. A large > > percentage of programmers seem to think every twitch and twiddle of > > their precious program deserves to be announced via WTO (I call it > > WTO diarrhea). > > > > No one goes in there unless looking for something specific. And it > > seems fairly unlikely to me that someone would go looking for > > expiration warnings. > > > > sas > > > > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Lester, Bob <[email protected] > > wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > IMHO, console messages should be sufficient. Compuware, for > > example, makes them hard to miss! > > > > > > OTOH, the above depends on someone/something actually monitoring > > the console. That’s something that seems to be going away, and I think > > that's just plain wrong. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > BobL > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ******************************************************** > For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: > http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential > and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the > addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may > be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to > this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you > have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by > return e-mail, and delete this message. > > Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its > employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of > this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. > Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch > Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered > number 33014286 > ******************************************************** > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
