In fairness, there are organizations that can't employ US citizens outside the US due to legal or government contractual reasons. I can't leave the US and do any work from outside, for example, under Texas law.
On Thu, Jul 24, 2025 at 7:22 AM David Spiegel < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Steve, > I am a US citizen, but, don't live in the USA. > At some companies, I am ineligible for remote work for this reason > > (Some intelligent companies don't care where one resides.) > > Regards, > David > > On 2025-07-24 07:40, Steve Beaver wrote: > > TCS has sold a service contract to Toyota in Plano. The downside is > that TCS does not rehire and that is their choice. The problem becomes is > that I have no Idea how many people on this list are former TCS employees > as I am. > > > > But I have been approacted and/or contacted over 500 times for the > Toyota deal in Plano. That many contacts has far beyond exceeded the level > of > > Mass insanity and stupidity. Also TCS has sold a service contact to > Boeing and Zions Bank, and yet the recuiters keep contacting the same > known resources in hopes of finding someone. > > > > There are other recuiters looking for companies other then TCS, DXC, and > CTS. Those are the ones I want US Based zOS Systems Programmers to target. > > > > In the past few days I have been hit with e-mails for San Berinadino > County in California and I simply respond $135/Hr W2. Again the recuiters > are using the same known zOS Systems Programmers. Also I've been approache > for my skills of ACF2, RACF, zSecure, and TSS and it respond with $135/Hr > W2. And San Berinadino County in California I know have been looking for > well over a year. > > > > Beause of US Laws under the Trump Administration and government > regulated industries and companies lile Toyota that have statted US > Citizens only, no one from other counties can be hired and there lies the > rub > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Phil Smith III > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2025 1:33 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: US Based zOS Systems Programmers > > > > Hmm. I mostly agree, but there would seem to be room for discussion of > what U.S.-based sysprogs are worth vs. ones in other timezones. It's the > "other timezones" that becomes an issue: when every interaction takes 24 > hours because the two sides are 12 hours apart, that's a problem, no matter > how good they are. > > > > And if folks are being offered the same rates as in the 80s, when the > number of quality people has declined precipitously, that feels like a > problem worth discussion too. But of course Radoslav is correct that > neither complaining here nor to a recruiter is likely to lead to any > change. Though I find it offensive to be approached with a lowball > offer--but that's just basic incompetence on the part of the recruiter. > Probably more useful to explain to them why it's lowball. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of Tom Brennan > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2025 1:29 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: US Based zOS Systems Programmers > > > > +1 > > > > On 7/23/2025 10:10 AM, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: > >> First of all, IMHO it is off-topic. > >> > >> It is off-topic despite we see "system programmers" keywords here. > >> It is off-topic, because it not mainframe-specific issue, rather it's > >> an issue of IT or even wider - about world economy and remote work > >> possibilities. > >> > >> Of course you can be angry for the rates, but it is neither issue of > >> Indian people nor Indian companies. Even American or Canadian > >> companies do hire people outside. Not to mention European giants like > >> Atos, Sopra, etc. And all those companies do hire US citizens as well > as EU citizens. > >> And people living in India, Indonesia, Peru, Costa Rica, Brasil, > >> Australia, New Zealand, Philippines, etc. However it is not only about > >> employees - Kyndryl or Ensono or other companies have big customers > >> outside of US - is it OK? For me it is. > >> And yes, US folks are usually paid better than people in Lithuania > >> (Rocket Software), people in Poland are paid better than in Brasil or > >> Pakistan. But the difference does NOT come from someone's appeals or > >> invocations. > >> > >> If you want to change the rules - it's your decision. However I don't > >> think the IBM-MAIN or RACF-L are proper places for that activity. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Jay Maynard ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
