So I think after today, it's really safe to assume Valve is in dire need of any sort of management. https://steamdb.info/blog/valve-security-one-year-on/ relevant article, this is not the only time I've seen anyone bring up an issue to valve to be ignored.
On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Rowedahelicon < [email protected]> wrote: > It depends really, my community is still funded by ads / my own income. On > the other side, your analogy is pretty spot on. One thing to consider is > that while a lot of us here have given up on Valve, not everyone has. Other > gaming companies look up to Valve and their business practices. That's why > I feel this issue is so important, if not for us, the potential to stop > this trend in general. > > Trying to host multiplayer communities these days are difficult, no one > lets us host anything anymore. > > On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Saint K. <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Ad income has replaced the value of proper community hosting. >> >> >> >> And for the rest, the best analogy I’ve seen lately is that TF2 been >> turned into this rubber tile playground where the millenniums grew up on. >> >> >> >> Let me just make a final statement that I am greatly disappointed in what >> VALVe has become. They seem to have forgotten where they came from, but >> that’s most likely also expectable as people come and go as well. >> >> >> >> Ah well, towel, ring, I’m out this discussion. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Robert Paulson >> *Sent:* Sunday, December 20, 2015 3:09 AM >> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list < >> [email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming >> >> >> >> If we are talking about transparency I think we need to talk about a few >> people's bizarre fixation on ads even though after being repeatedly told >> they were 100% blocked for quickplay players long before the official >> server change. >> >> >> >> If you were a normal player, you would have known that. But you are not >> one. You are a custom server owner which is why you don't even know this >> and you are pretending to be a concerned player. I doubt you even have this >> problem because you can figure out how to host a server, so you shouldn't >> be too dumb to figure out how to valve in the tag box. >> >> >> >> No one was asking for the MOTD to be re-enabled for quickplay users, we >> were all asking for quickplay defaulting to official servers to be removed. >> >> >> >> So I think I know what you are trying to do. You are expecting something >> like this. >> >> >> >> 1. Your competitors using ads gets killed for you. >> >> 2. That Valve only has quickplay to kill ads (proven wrong multiple >> times) and you think they will actually remove quickplay so your servers >> will get the same coverage as quickplay compatible servers. >> >> >> >> This doesn't have a sliver of a chance of happening in your favor. >> >> >> >> > Look at the CSGO server operators, they have it much worse then their >> tf2 counter parts but they are not on here spamming a mailing list about it >> every week. Instead they are coming up with incentives for players to use >> their servers. >> >> >> >> No they don't really. They have 10 times the players and official CS:GO >> servers don't clog up the browser. They have matchmaking, but soon TF2 will >> too so it will become strictly worse than CS:GO in every regard. >> >> >> >> And not to mention everyone knew you couldn't host matchmaking servers >> before the game was even released. People bought the game knowing full well >> that they would not be able to compete with official servers fairly and >> that is why the game was deader than CSS until illegal betting became a >> thing. The CS:GO devs did not pull a bait and switch. >> >> >> >> I also prefer not to take any advice from someone who probably >> contributed this mess by extensively using fake players and then selling >> the plugin to ProTF2 after getting blacklisted. >> >> >> >> If Valve doesn't care anymore then so be it. As long as someone brings >> this up, I will use the opportunity to warn people away from hosting or >> having anything to do with Valve games other than just playing them. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > > -- > *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* > Web Designer / Artist / Writer > Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ > -- *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* Web Designer / Artist / Writer Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/
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