I am glad that at least someone here is smart enough to read the graphs correctly.
You cannot just zoom all the way out. TF2 has grown overall because it went free to play and Valve has put in a lot of updates to make up for player loss. If you haven't noticed yet, updates have slowed to a crawl. I chose to zoom in since January because there have been no major updates or holidays. TF2 is also not that similar to CS:GO. TF2 is free. CS:GO came out all the way back in 2012 and barely affected TF2 players counts. If anyone preferred CS:GO instead, they would've switched a long time ago. > Whining from byteframe about community servers Rich comments coming from a mic spammer who has been banned from just about every major community. Enjoying how easy it is to mic spam on official ones? On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Justin Kim <[email protected]> wrote: > To address the general trend upwards over the last two years, I just want > to point out that while TF2 as a game has become more popular, there’s a > notable downward trend in a spot in the year where the player count should > be increasing. (You can look at previous years and confirm this.) > > On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:20 PM, Derek Howard <[email protected]> > wrote: > > oh my god I'm just trying to have a nice quiet sex-filled evening with my > boyfriend and you jackasses keep making my damn phone go off. I keep > thinking it's something important. > > go yell about this where you're not disturbing countless others, please. > like on spuf or whatever shit they've replaced that with now > > Also when you link to whatever the hell that graph is, you should probably > adjust it so that it actually illustrates your point. All I can think of is > that scene from Futurama where Hermes says "As this shocking graph > indicates... <http://i.imgur.com/obuEVmj.png>" Except it's worse. Also, > make the graph display the last two years and there's actually a trend > upwards? > > Also, this is not the place to discuss religious belief. Why the hell > would you open that can of worms here and intentionally piss off the people > on this list who may be religious? I'm all for tearing down religious > institutions, but the fucking HLDS mailing list is not the place to do it. > > > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Robert Paulson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> This is about as inane as a creationist saying: "Prove it, prove >> evolution is real. You don't have any "real" evidence. You weren't there a >> million years ago." >> >> The evidence I have provided is as solid as anyone outside of Valve is >> going to get. But of course you knew this and you are less interested in >> the truth than winning an argument. >> >> A more astute analogy than your school shooting analogy, would be if you >> refused to believe in global warming despite CO2 emissions being the most >> obvious and plausible explanation. You would just keep repeating the old >> tired cliche about "correlation doesn't imply causation". >> >> > But even with my findings, that still isn't enough for me to stand up >> and say, "There is no loss of players" because that's not evidence. That is >> personal observation of a limited sample size. >> >> That's because global players counts are available. If they were not >> available I bet you would be arguing about that instead. >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Phillip Vector <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >It is a perfectly valid explanation to anyone who has actually played >>> on community servers >>> >>> Prove it. Prove to me that this is a direct result of the quickplay >>> change and nothing else. Not what you assume, but what you can prove is >>> what I am after. For example, I can say that the amount of cars driven is >>> the reason why there are more school shootings. Number of cars goes up.. >>> Shootings go up.. So it must be the case. This is exactly what you are >>> doing with the quickplay argument you are presenting. Numbers went down. >>> Valve stopped sending new players to community servers around the same >>> time.. That must be the reason. >>> >>> >>> >You appear to be someone who only plays on official servers so you have >>> no idea how many people have just stopped playing because they realized >>> Valve is draining all the new players and they can't stand official ones. >>> >>> and you don't have any idea as well. Personal comments aside, the >>> community servers I hang around are going strong today as they ever were. >>> I'm not seeing a loss of players (except some here or there, but we get new >>> people in to replace those). But even with my findings, that still isn't >>> enough for me to stand up and say, "There is no loss of players" because >>> that's not evidence. That is personal observation of a limited sample size. >>> >>> >>> >Until you have a better explanation this one is the simplest and most >>> obvious. >>> >>> Sorry. You don't get to put your guess up and say, "Unless you can do >>> better, this is what is the truth". Facts don't work like that. We should >>> just agree that NEITHER of us know for SURE what is the cause, though we >>> have our guesses (You, Quickplay. Me, Crappy Community servers). >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Robert Paulson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It is a perfectly valid explanation to anyone who has actually played >>>> on community servers. You appear to be someone who only plays on official >>>> servers so you have no idea how many people have just stopped playing >>>> because they realized Valve is draining all the new players and they can't >>>> stand official ones. Until you have a better explanation this one is the >>>> simplest and most obvious. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Phillip Vector <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >"TF2 just got old" is not a valid explanation. >>>>> >>>>> Neither is "Quickplay must be causing it". >>>>> >>>>> We don't know. That's the pure truth of it. We can't know for sure. So >>>>> stop trying to make it fit one of your pet theories. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Robert Paulson <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Repeating the same overused quip is not a valid excuse to ignore all >>>>>> the evidence. "TF2 just got old" is not a valid explanation. 1 out of >>>>>> every >>>>>> 5 players just decides to stop playing when summer vacation starts? >>>>>> Please... get real. >>>>>> >>>>>> This year >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=440&from=1388563200000&to=End+Time >>>>>> >>>>>> Last Year >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=440&from=1357027200000&to=1370415600000 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Phillip Vector < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >And that thing is Valve removing community servers from quickplay. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Correlation does not imply causation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Player counts being lower does not mean that it's because of the >>>>>>> quickplay decision. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, I know I said it before. You stop repeating that unsupported >>>>>>> assumption, I'll stop reminding you that you are committing a logical >>>>>>> falicy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Robert Paulson < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Goes to search for Interstellar Marines* >>>>>>>> http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ >>>>>>>> Not even in the list with the last game having 1000 players. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most people that prefer FPS can't stand MOBAs such as myself. >>>>>>>> People getting bored of a game means a slow decline, this decline looks >>>>>>>> fast to me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is absolutely no reason for player counts to drop after >>>>>>>> summer this year when it has increased every other year before this >>>>>>>> unless >>>>>>>> something is really wrong. And that thing is Valve removing community >>>>>>>> servers from quickplay. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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