To address the general trend upwards over the last two years, I just want to point out that while TF2 as a game has become more popular, there’s a notable downward trend in a spot in the year where the player count should be increasing. (You can look at previous years and confirm this.)
On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:20 PM, Derek Howard <[email protected]> wrote: > oh my god I'm just trying to have a nice quiet sex-filled evening with my > boyfriend and you jackasses keep making my damn phone go off. I keep thinking > it's something important. > > go yell about this where you're not disturbing countless others, please. like > on spuf or whatever shit they've replaced that with now > > Also when you link to whatever the hell that graph is, you should probably > adjust it so that it actually illustrates your point. All I can think of is > that scene from Futurama where Hermes says "As this shocking graph > indicates..." Except it's worse. Also, make the graph display the last two > years and there's actually a trend upwards? > > Also, this is not the place to discuss religious belief. Why the hell would > you open that can of worms here and intentionally piss off the people on this > list who may be religious? I'm all for tearing down religious institutions, > but the fucking HLDS mailing list is not the place to do it. > > > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Robert Paulson <[email protected]> wrote: > This is about as inane as a creationist saying: "Prove it, prove evolution is > real. You don't have any "real" evidence. You weren't there a million years > ago." > > The evidence I have provided is as solid as anyone outside of Valve is going > to get. But of course you knew this and you are less interested in the truth > than winning an argument. > > A more astute analogy than your school shooting analogy, would be if you > refused to believe in global warming despite CO2 emissions being the most > obvious and plausible explanation. You would just keep repeating the old > tired cliche about "correlation doesn't imply causation". > > > But even with my findings, that still isn't enough for me to stand up and > > say, "There is no loss of players" because that's not evidence. That is > > personal observation of a limited sample size. > > That's because global players counts are available. If they were not > available I bet you would be arguing about that instead. > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Phillip Vector <[email protected]> > wrote: > >It is a perfectly valid explanation to anyone who has actually played on > >community servers > > Prove it. Prove to me that this is a direct result of the quickplay change > and nothing else. Not what you assume, but what you can prove is what I am > after. For example, I can say that the amount of cars driven is the reason > why there are more school shootings. Number of cars goes up.. Shootings go > up.. So it must be the case. This is exactly what you are doing with the > quickplay argument you are presenting. Numbers went down. Valve stopped > sending new players to community servers around the same time.. That must be > the reason. > > > >You appear to be someone who only plays on official servers so you have no > >idea how many people have just stopped playing because they realized Valve > >is draining all the new players and they can't stand official ones. > > and you don't have any idea as well. Personal comments aside, the community > servers I hang around are going strong today as they ever were. I'm not > seeing a loss of players (except some here or there, but we get new people in > to replace those). But even with my findings, that still isn't enough for me > to stand up and say, "There is no loss of players" because that's not > evidence. That is personal observation of a limited sample size. > > > >Until you have a better explanation this one is the simplest and most > >obvious. > > Sorry. You don't get to put your guess up and say, "Unless you can do better, > this is what is the truth". Facts don't work like that. We should just agree > that NEITHER of us know for SURE what is the cause, though we have our > guesses (You, Quickplay. Me, Crappy Community servers). > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Robert Paulson <[email protected]> wrote: > It is a perfectly valid explanation to anyone who has actually played on > community servers. You appear to be someone who only plays on official > servers so you have no idea how many people have just stopped playing because > they realized Valve is draining all the new players and they can't stand > official ones. Until you have a better explanation this one is the simplest > and most obvious. > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Phillip Vector <[email protected]> > wrote: > >"TF2 just got old" is not a valid explanation. > > Neither is "Quickplay must be causing it". > > We don't know. That's the pure truth of it. We can't know for sure. So stop > trying to make it fit one of your pet theories. > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Robert Paulson <[email protected]> wrote: > Repeating the same overused quip is not a valid excuse to ignore all the > evidence. "TF2 just got old" is not a valid explanation. 1 out of every 5 > players just decides to stop playing when summer vacation starts? Please... > get real. > > This year > http://www.steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=440&from=1388563200000&to=End+Time > > Last Year > http://www.steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=440&from=1357027200000&to=1370415600000 > > > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Phillip Vector <[email protected]> > wrote: > >And that thing is Valve removing community servers from quickplay. > > Correlation does not imply causation. > > Player counts being lower does not mean that it's because of the quickplay > decision. > > Yeah, I know I said it before. You stop repeating that unsupported > assumption, I'll stop reminding you that you are committing a logical falicy. > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Robert Paulson <[email protected]> wrote: > *Goes to search for Interstellar Marines* http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ > Not even in the list with the last game having 1000 players. > > Most people that prefer FPS can't stand MOBAs such as myself. People getting > bored of a game means a slow decline, this decline looks fast to me. > > There is absolutely no reason for player counts to drop after summer this > year when it has increased every other year before this unless something is > really wrong. And that thing is Valve removing community servers from > quickplay. > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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