Sorry, I put the previous answer in half of the thread. A mistake.
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:10 PM, hellekin <helle...@gnu.org> wrote: > On 12/19/2012 08:40 AM, zx spectrumgomas wrote: >> According to I've been reading Diaspora unfortunately does not have >> the Communities feature. >> > *** Can you describe that functionality? The "communities" of Google+. In one only account can talk many people. For example in twitter neither can. If it was possible then I would use twitter, not Google+. >> I don't think anyone can deny that Diaspora shares the same philosophy as GNU >> > *** I didn't see any D* developer participate in important federation > meetings lately. Maybe Free Software Activists are not to their taste. If you say that Diaspora neither share philosophy GNU, I honestly do not know who else you can say that if share philosophy GNU. Besides, in these forums also recommended that I use it. >> Here Diaspora project's director saying go away noob!: >> https://twitter.com/spectrumgomas/status/281348200932184064 >> > *** What does that mean? This is lacking context. It is the same that if I had appropriated this account: https://twitter.com/gnuguile and official GNU guile would like to use later. This does not occur With a "community" account. >> Diaspora uses Ruby, why? Because teenagers knows it. >> > *** Teenagers know it because it's a nice language to use. Given a > choice between PHP and Ruby, what would you choose? Teenagers know > Node.JS. Remember JavaScript 10 years ago, before Node and JQuery: it > was loathed. But now that people started understanding how to use it > (and thanks to the newer JS engines and standardization), it's become > hip again. I did not say that Ruby isn't a nice language, although I like most Scheme :D . I say that it has used very well social networks. The same is Vala and C #, I'm not saying that C# is not better, it is. But why was it so succesful? Books, documentation. Vala can't do that. His power should be social network. >> Yukihiro Matsumoto has used very well social networks >> [...] Award with Richard Stallman using social networks. is it not interesting? :D >> Real life doesn't work this way. Right now I'm going to keep google+ >> account. When Diaspora or other social network works >> > *** You keep using "social network" instead of "social network > services". You're confusing the two. The social network is formed by the > accumulation (over time) of human relationships. Social network > services, or "digital tools to support social networking", enhance the > possibilities of the social network, by making communication and > dissemination easier, or simply: possible, when the network is large enough. In Spanish everyone understands "redes sociales". In Spanish your "social network" would be "comunidad". But it's the same, you have understood perfectly what I mean. > In any case, you should realize that the social network of the Guile > project is already a reality, and that it does not use G+, mostly, as I > understand it, for philosophical reasons. Disclaimer: I'm new to this > project and mailing-list, so I cannot talk for them ; I'm just talking > from my point of view of free software activist, and social networking > experience, both theoretical and practical. >> I'll post showing this thread in which I think it is clear that >> you are right morally >> > *** If you're intending to post anything from me on G+, please don't. > You may link to the mailing-list archive instead. I have already done that: the link , and I will always do that. >> I will say always in Google+ that for good, official and reliable GNU >> Guile answers the right place are these forums. > *** I respect your vision, but I think "doing it right" would imply > spending energy on making the existing environment better, rather than > deflecting people to commercial services. Let's hope that this can help > "recruiting" people who will help that former way. I can't spend more energy. I'm 40 years old, family and little money. A paradise :D. > One thing you could do is maintain a public G+ page on GNU Guile > pointing to the actual social network hangouts (I'm not talking of > Google's video service, but this mailing-list, etc.), and abstain from > posting "interesting contents" publicly there, nurturing the official > documents instead. I want put the link to the official forums in a prominent position on the page but I think that it isn't possible. If anyone knows a way that mentioned it and I will do that. The "interesting contents" of official forums will link it. My "interesting contents" (coming from a newbie this is laughable) I'm not sure but I think that I will do a blog and link to google+, identi.ca and forum blogger account if it finally becomes. Casual conversations if it is in identi.ca, in identi.ca (In a year no one has spoken). If it is in google+, in google+. Here I'm talking about myself. Rest of people in google+ I can't talk. But +/- I suppose that the same. > I still think that taking care of a GNU Guile group on LibrePlanet would > make all things much easier, by simply linking existing contents > (official documentation, blog articles, source code, etc.) in a way that > creates more sense to different audiences, including newbies. > > I'm convinced that the work you're going to do on G+ would have > benefited LibrePlanet and GNU Guile much more than targeting a large > audience in a non-privacy-respectful, and proprietary environment such > as Google+. Note that it would be trivial to have automated status > updates from the LibrePlanet wiki to Twitter, via Identi.ca (i.e. to use > "a commercial broadcast service" as a mass medium, instead of a > conversational medium.)
