On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:49:36 PM UTC-6, Nicholas Nethercote wrote: > I think implementing a new system to address the recent situation is a > > waste of time and effort. Issues like this one are incredibly rare. > > And if you don't want to read the critical emails to governance it > > doesn't take long to skim over them. > > > > Nick > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Majken Connor <maj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > First, of any new members of the list are reading this, this is not at all > > > meant as a suggestion that you're not welcome here. > > > > > > The governance list is the best place we have for discussing the current > > > issues, but it's really not a good place to engage the public on individual > > > issues. SUMO isn't the right place either, even though at first glance it > > > might seem like it (when thinking of the feedback that's starting to come > > > in with Australis). We also have Input, but that won't satisfy people > > > looking to have a conversation. > > > > > > It has been both challenging and rewarding engaging with, and seeing others > > > engage with the public on our issues and how we work. We should have a > > > mechanism for this that: > > > > > > 1. Is easy for the public to use > > > 2. Allows existing communication channels to maintain their current > > > function (having to deal with 100 threads about our CEO issues shifts the > > > governance list's effectiveness) > > > 3. Allows us to create deditcated spaces to send people when we have "hot > > > button" issues > > > 4. Allows Mozillians and core contributors to engage with the public > > > > > > When this issue hit, and before we sent people here, it occurred to me that > > > what we really needed was some sort of "disposable" forum, so that we had a > > > clear place to engage with people, but so that it was contained to an > > > appropriate place. > > > > > > It does occur to me that Discourse would be a very good tool for this, > > > though I'd recommend a stand-alone instance from one we might use for > > > team/community communications. An area of SUMO might work as well, though > > > it would need to be a separate forum that doesn't rely on the SUMO > > > contributors to moderate and monitor. > > > > > > Maybe PR/Engagement would want their own SUMO instance? They could use the > > > knowledge base function to host and localize PR statements and news > > > releases, as well as archives and localizations of important blog posts > > > (like the resignation FAQ) and the manifesto. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > governance mailing list > > > governance@lists.mozilla.org > > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
I absolutely agree with the Nethercote. I think the best course would be to skim over anything critical of Mozilla and ignore any negative comments. This is your private forum after all. To have let any of the public in here was a mistake in the first place. Who is the public anyways? They don't know anything and deserve no explanation. They won't even listen to the Mozillanauts when things are so clearly explained to them. You guys have your work, and that's what's important. This is simply a distraction from the holy mission. Mozilla's facebook page exists for this kind of prattle, and the volunteers can copy and paste the canned answers they have been provided from Mozilla central. That is working just fine after all. There is really no chance of Mozilla being thought of as a gay and progressive web browser with no tolerance for opposing views. That is so unfair. It's just not the case and people have to understand that. They will come around in time. Some, who are of cour se wrong, may say that word of mouth, and the public talking to each other about this for years to come, will have an effect, and will change people's minds about Mozilla as an organization. Chicken littles is what I say, the lot of them. I am stuck using Opera now. Pressure from my peers and all. I didn't want to do it, but it's safer for me to remain quiet than for them to think I don't agree with them. I apologize, I'm weak. Just a temporary bump in the road. Stay silent, ignore the users, insult their intelligence when it's appropriate, or at every opportunity, so that the impression that you don't give a shit is abundantly clear. It's working great so far. I'm with you guys. I got your back. Remember, you are smarter, better informed, and experts on the public's psychology, because, well I can't think of why right now, but it will come to me. Stay strong! _______________________________________________ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
