I would also like to point out the extreme hypocrisy of saying Aram's comment is "unnecessary and insensitive" then labeling someone's thread as "bullying" (a pretty serious charge in todays climate). Both of which I would consider worse insults than saying someone has bad English. If i was on the censorship panel I would almost certainly issue you a warning for those.
On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 6:03:53 PM UTC+13, prade...@gmail.com wrote: > > That's not up to you to judge if some comment is "harmless" or not. > Because you're not the person the comment has been directed at. Something > that might seem "harmless" to you might be perceived as insulting to > someone else. Aram's comment was unnecessary and insensitive to say the > least, it doesn't matter if he is an important contributor to Go or not. If > they are rules they apply to everybody equally or they don't, that's what > rules are for. Frankly Sarah shouldn't have apologized for anything, she > did exactly what she was supposed to do in this case. It doesn't matter how > sizable Aram's contribution is, it doesn't preclude him from showing a > little bit of respect. > > Right now /r/golang is engaged in yet another bullying campaign against > another individual on this thread : > > > https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/5ayvws/github_stars_are_no_more_a_valid_metric_for/ > > <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fgolang%2Fcomments%2F5ayvws%2Fgithub_stars_are_no_more_a_valid_metric_for%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGHN8paFXPhQinNGM31RbPhuy63mA> > > (archived here : http://archive.is/znqJg ) > > Just because that person has written "a non idiomatic framework" .? > > Someone is being labelled at "a marketer with a crappy product" . Is it > what moderators here call "a respectful environment" ? the thread is still > up as we speak. This has happened before with Martini, then Iris , now > utron. That's how the go community wants to grow ? > > > > > Le jeudi 3 novembre 2016 01:38:43 UTC+1, Paul a écrit : >> >> I just discovered this thread. I used to be an avid reader of Golang-nuts >> mailing list, also of Golang-dev and I am in disbelief at what it has come >> to recently. >> >> Aram Hăvărneanu is a very important contributor to the Go Language >> Project, I feel embarrased on behalf of the of the Go Language Project >> about how he has been treated. This is not OK, and this needs to be very >> clearly stated. >> >> This overreaction of your "code of conduct" moderator is beyond >> rediculous, to Arams very harmless statement about someones english >> language skills. I mean come on ... Arams sentence is so non-lethal and >> tame that it is mind boggling that he should find such alienating >> reproachment to me. Especially after all of his valuable contributions. >> That it happened because of something he said on Redit just makes it so >> much worse. >> >> If you should loose (and it looks like you have) such an important >> contributor because of your nonsensical and rediculous COC moderation >> system, then this system of yours has just completely and utterly failed >> and it should be abandoned immediately till a more suitable solution can be >> found. It will not do that someone who is obviously not engaged enough or >> mature enough to excersize proper human judgement and care in such a >> situation is left to cause such harm as this. And thats my opinion, now you >> can ban me from your list for saying that if you want to. >> >> p.s >> Just to put things into perspective, I find Linus Torvalds exercise of >> freedom of speech utterly refreshing by comparison (and significantly more >> edgy), its such a breath of fresh air compared to what you are doing here. >> And Linus gets results as you all know, just remember his action against >> Nvidia and the waves it created. I am still chuckling about it even today. >> I know some very delicate personality's will disagree with me on this, but >> maybe they are in the wrong business to begin with. Software developement >> has never been for the faint hearted. >> >> Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 1:36:23 PM UTC+2, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: >>> >>> I have received a very insulting and distressing e-mail from Sarah >>> Adams, who claims to represent the The Go Code of Conduct Team, an >>> illicit bully organization who claims authority about what Go >>> contributors think and say outside the Go mailing lists. I do not >>> recognize this group's legitimacy in these matters. >>> >>> The e-mail says: >>> >>> We received a report about your comment on this thread >>> >>> https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/57w79c/why_you_really_should_stop_using_iris/d8wdynd >>> : >>> "Their English was so bad I couldn't understand what was >>> going on". >>> >>> This comment goes against our community Code of Conduct, >>> https://golang.org/conduct. The comment is not respectful, >>> and would have been more productive just as, "I couldn't >>> understand what was going on". >>> >>> Please consider this a warning from the Code of Conduct >>> working group. >>> >>> Some more context is necessary. There is someone in the Go community >>> who literally steals other people's code, receives money for it, >>> and actively tries to covers his tracks. >>> >>> A person named Florin Pățan provided an overview: >>> >>> [1] >>> http://www.florinpatan.ro/2016/10/why-you-should-not-use-iris-for-your-go.html >>> >>> which has been discussed on reddit: >>> >>> [2] >>> https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/57tmp1/why_you_should_not_use_iris_for_your_go_projects >>> . >>> >>> Reddit also discussed this thief's action in another thread: >>> >>> [3] >>> https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/57w79c/why_you_really_should_stop_using_iris/ >>> >>> I have archived these documents here: >>> >>> [1] http://archive.is/9oN1A >>> [2] http://archive.is/Q36G5 >>> [3] http://archive.is/aSFUg >>> >>> The comment in question refers to this GitHub issue, also archived: >>> >>> [4] https://github.com/avelino/awesome-go/pull/1137 >>> [4] http://archive.is/7xgc7 >>> >>> Now take a look at what I said, and what Sarah Adams in her >>> infinite arrogance suggests I should have said: >>> >>> Aram: Their English was so bad I couldn't understand what >>> was going on >>> >>> Sarah: I couldn't understand what was going on >>> >>> If you compare these two phrases: you can see that the problem Sarah >>> Adams has is with "their English was so bad". >>> >>> In other words, Sarah's problem is with speaking the objective >>> *TRUTH*. >>> >>> Whether someone speaks good or bad English is an objective fact >>> easily determined by anyone who speaks English at some level of >>> proficiency. I encourage all English speakers to take a look at [4] >>> and do an individual assessment of the level of proficiency in English >>> those sock puppets possess. >>> >>> I will not be policed around for telling the *TRUTH*. I will not >>> be silenced into political compliance. I will not tolerate other >>> people who tell me what is acceptable to say, especially when these >>> people only want to hide the *OBJECTIVE TRUTH*. >>> >>> The comment is not respectful >>> >>> Damn right it wasn't. You or your organization has no authority >>> mandating how respectful my speech is. What level of arrogance. >>> >>> However, it was not disrespectful. It was an objective assessment >>> of an *infractor's* level of English competence. >>> >>> I owe nobody respect. Certainly not someone who breaks the law and >>> steals other people's intellectual property. Respect is earned. >>> >>> and would have been more productive just as >>> >>> Ah, yes, here you can see in action the new-age practice of corporate >>> double speak applied to open source projects. This is not Google. >>> You are not fooling me or anyone else who still has a grain of >>> independent thought left. >>> >>> This is a pathetic and disgusting attempt of silencing independent >>> contributors who still refuse to kneel after your coup d'état in >>> which you managed to replace the Go technical governance with a >>> thought police political organization vassal to Google. >>> >>> In some sense, you have succeeded. I will never yield to you, you >>> can never silence me, but you certainly made me realise that my >>> association with the Go project is a mistake and a liability. I do >>> not want to be associated with your organization, even accidentally. >>> When I contribute to Go, I only make you people stronger. In fact, >>> this is your modus operandi; you rely on people who do the actual >>> technical work (either as part of the Go team, or as contributors) >>> in order to gain more support for your cause. To gain legitimacy. >>> To claim authority. >>> >>> I cannot remove the code I have contributed to the Go project over >>> the years, but I can certainly stop contributing as an individual >>> in the future. I will make sure, best of my ability, that any >>> competent individual or organization who is evaluating Go is made >>> aware of who is actually pulling the strings here, and what they >>> are getting into. >>> >>> Stalking people online for thought crimes! This is what the Go >>> project has succumbed to! And newcomers need to be aware of that. >>> >>> You are luring people with technical arguments and weed them with >>> political correctness. Your propaganda machine is strong, but not >>> infallible. Just like all good propaganda, you rely on a majority >>> of true facts to hide you agenda and falsehoods. Yes, your technical >>> preaching is truthful, and that is the best disguise for your dark >>> agenda of manipulation, control and deceit. >>> >>> But you are not fooling everyone, you are not fooling me. I will >>> not be controlled by a neo-puritan organization. >>> >>> If there's anyone left who still has the power and courage to say >>> no to these bullies, consider who you should prosecute: >>> >>> 1) a thief who makes money from stolen intellectual >>> property >>> 2) someone who realized the thief's command of the >>> English language is so poor, he cannot be understood. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> PS: I suspect it's the thief himself who reported me to your >>> organization, and because your extrajudicial court works so well, >>> you have managed to sentence the wrong person. >>> >>> -- >>> Aram Hăvărneanu >>> Go contributor >>> Not a thief >>> Critical thinker >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "golang-nuts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to golang-nuts+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
