This list doesn't need to be a place to copy /r/ to. Please refrain from public denunciations and speak privately with those you wish, and... Follow the code of conduct if you believe a more formal response is called for.
Thomas On Fri, Nov 4, 2016, 6:17 AM <prades.m...@gmail.com> wrote: > > then labeling someone's thread as "bullying" (a pretty serious charge > in todays climate). > > Well now the target of the latest witch-hunt /u/gernest_ has responded on > /r/golang, the previous thread that I linked I quote "broke his heart" , so > you can't deny something is definitely wrong here : > > https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/5b2j38/what_is_idiomatic_go/ > > > After the WTF moment. I calmed down and just realized what few innocent > words can do. They broke my heart. > > > I'm confused, and definitely heart broken. > > AFAIK the original thread is still up on /r/golang , how long is the go > community going to allow this kind of things ? > > > > Le vendredi 4 novembre 2016 06:49:07 UTC+1, andrewc...@gmail.com a écrit : > > I would also like to point out the extreme hypocrisy of saying Aram's > comment is "unnecessary and insensitive" then labeling someone's thread as > "bullying" (a pretty serious charge in todays climate). Both of which I > would consider worse insults than saying someone has bad English. If i was > on the censorship panel I would almost certainly issue you a warning for > those. > > On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 6:03:53 PM UTC+13, prade...@gmail.com > wrote: > > That's not up to you to judge if some comment is "harmless" or not. > Because you're not the person the comment has been directed at. Something > that might seem "harmless" to you might be perceived as insulting to > someone else. Aram's comment was unnecessary and insensitive to say the > least, it doesn't matter if he is an important contributor to Go or not. If > they are rules they apply to everybody equally or they don't, that's what > rules are for. Frankly Sarah shouldn't have apologized for anything, she > did exactly what she was supposed to do in this case. It doesn't matter how > sizable Aram's contribution is, it doesn't preclude him from showing a > little bit of respect. > > Right now /r/golang is engaged in yet another bullying campaign against > another individual on this thread : > > > https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/5ayvws/github_stars_are_no_more_a_valid_metric_for/ > <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fgolang%2Fcomments%2F5ayvws%2Fgithub_stars_are_no_more_a_valid_metric_for%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGHN8paFXPhQinNGM31RbPhuy63mA> > > (archived here : http://archive.is/znqJg ) > > Just because that person has written "a non idiomatic framework" .? > > Someone is being labelled at "a marketer with a crappy product" . Is it > what moderators here call "a respectful environment" ? the thread is still > up as we speak. This has happened before with Martini, then Iris , now > utron. That's how the go community wants to grow ? > > > > > Le jeudi 3 novembre 2016 01:38:43 UTC+1, Paul a écrit : > > I just discovered this thread. I used to be an avid reader of Golang-nuts > mailing list, also of Golang-dev and I am in disbelief at what it has come > to recently. > > Aram Hăvărneanu is a very important contributor to the Go Language > Project, I feel embarrased on behalf of the of the Go Language Project > about how he has been treated. This is not OK, and this needs to be very > clearly stated. > > This overreaction of your "code of conduct" moderator is beyond > rediculous, to Arams very harmless statement about someones english > language skills. I mean come on ... Arams sentence is so non-lethal and > tame that it is mind boggling that he should find such alienating > reproachment to me. Especially after all of his valuable contributions. > That it happened because of something he said on Redit just makes it so > much worse. > > If you should loose (and it looks like you have) such an important > contributor because of your nonsensical and rediculous COC moderation > system, then this system of yours has just completely and utterly failed > and it should be abandoned immediately till a more suitable solution can be > found. It will not do that someone who is obviously not engaged enough or > mature enough to excersize proper human judgement and care in such a > situation is left to cause such harm as this. And thats my opinion, now you > can ban me from your list for saying that if you want to. > > p.s > Just to put things into perspective, I find Linus Torvalds exercise of > freedom of speech utterly refreshing by comparison (and significantly more > edgy), its such a breath of fresh air compared to what you are doing here. > And Linus gets results as you all know, just remember his action against > Nvidia and the waves it created. I am still chuckling about it even today. > I know some very delicate personality's will disagree with me on this, but > maybe they are in the wrong business to begin with. Software developement > has never been for the faint hearted. > > Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 1:36:23 PM UTC+2, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: > > I have received a very insulting and distressing e-mail from Sarah > Adams, who claims to represent the The Go Code of Conduct Team, an > illicit bully organization who claims authority about what Go > contributors think and say outside the Go mailing lists. I do not > recognize this group's legitimacy in these matters. > > The e-mail says: > > We received a report about your comment on this thread > > https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/57w79c/why_you_really_should_stop_using_iris/d8wdynd > : > "Their English was so bad I couldn't understand what was > going on". > > This comment goes against our community Code of Conduct, > https://golang.org/conduct. The comment is not respectful, > and would have been more productive just as, "I couldn't > understand what was going on". > > Please consider this a warning from the Code of Conduct > working group. > > Some more context is necessary. There is someone in the Go community > who literally steals other people's code, receives money for it, > and actively tries to covers his tracks. > > A person named Florin Pățan provided an overview: > > [1] > http://www.florinpatan.ro/2016/10/why-you-should-not-use-iris-for-your-go.html > > which has been discussed on reddit: > > [2] > https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/57tmp1/why_you_should_not_use_iris_for_your_go_projects > . > > Reddit also discussed this thief's action in another thread: > > [3] > https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/57w79c/why_you_really_should_stop_using_iris/ > > I have archived these documents here: > > [1] http://archive.is/9oN1A > [2] http://archive.is/Q36G5 > [3] http://archive.is/aSFUg > > The comment in question refers to this GitHub issue, also archived: > > [4] https://github.com/avelino/awesome-go/pull/1137 > [4] http://archive.is/7xgc7 > > Now take a look at what I said, and what Sarah Adams in her > infinite arrogance suggests I should have said: > > Aram: Their English was so bad I couldn't understand what > was going on > > Sarah: I couldn't understand what was going on > > If you compare these two phrases: you can see that the problem Sarah > Adams has is with "their English was so bad". > > In other words, Sarah's problem is with speaking the objective > *TRUTH*. > > Whether someone speaks good or bad English is an objective fact > easily determined by anyone who speaks English at some level of > proficiency. I encourage all English speakers to take a look at [4] > and do an individual assessment of the level of proficiency in English > those sock puppets possess. > > I will not be policed around for telling the *TRUTH*. I will not > be silenced into political compliance. I will not tolerate other > people who tell me what is acceptable to say, especially when these > people only want to hide the *OBJECTIVE TRUTH*. > > The comment is not respectful > > Damn right it wasn't. You or your organization has no authority > mandating how respectful my speech is. What level of arrogance. > > However, it was not disrespectful. It was an objective assessment > of an *infractor's* level of English competence. > > I owe nobody respect. Certainly not someone who breaks the law and > steals other people's intellectual property. Respect is earned. > > and would have been more productive just as > > Ah, yes, here you can see in action the new-age practice of corporate > double speak applied to open source projects. This is not Google. > You are not fooling me or anyone else who still has a grain of > independent thought left. > > This is a pathetic and disgusting attempt of silencing independent > contributors who still refuse to kneel after your coup d'état in > which you managed to replace the Go technical governance with a > thought police political organization vassal to Google. > > In some sense, you have succeeded. I will never yield to you, you > can never silence me, but you certainly made me realise that my > association with the Go project is a mistake and a liability. I do > not want to be associated with your organization, even accidentally. > When I contribute to Go, I only make you people stronger. In fact, > this is your modus operandi; you rely on people who do the actual > technical work (either as part of the Go team, or as contributors) > in order to gain more support for your cause. To gain legitimacy. > To claim authority. > > I cannot remove the code I have contributed to the Go project over > the years, but I can certainly stop contributing as an individual > in the future. I will make sure, best of my ability, that any > competent individual or organization who is evaluating Go is made > aware of who is actually pulling the strings here, and what they > are getting into. > > Stalking people online for thought crimes! This is what the Go > project has succumbed to! And newcomers need to be aware of that. > > You are luring people with technical arguments and weed them with > political correctness. Your propaganda machine is strong, but not > infallible. Just like all good propaganda, you rely on a majority > of true facts to hide you agenda and falsehoods. Yes, your technical > preaching is truthful, and that is the best disguise for your dark > agenda of manipulation, control and deceit. > > But you are not fooling everyone, you are not fooling me. I will > not be controlled by a neo-puritan organization. > > If there's anyone left who still has the power and courage to say > no to these bullies, consider who you should prosecute: > > 1) a thief who makes money from stolen intellectual > property > 2) someone who realized the thief's command of the > English language is so poor, he cannot be understood. > > Thank you. > > PS: I suspect it's the thief himself who reported me to your > organization, and because your extrajudicial court works so well, > you have managed to sentence the wrong person. > > -- > Aram Hăvărneanu > Go contributor > Not a thief > Critical thinker > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "golang-nuts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to golang-nuts+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "golang-nuts" group. 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