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On Tuesday 6 January 2015 at 2:14:20 PM, in <mid:20150106141420.gb27...@iupui.edu>, Mark H. Wood wrote: > True. But we have established an identity between him > and a person of interest in the case. Investigation of > that interest is going to require some more identities > ("where were you on the night of the 13th?") We know he was standing with a smoking gun, close to a body on the ground. We should be investigating what happened, not wasting our time with yesterday's food and the last three years' commuting habits. > I suspect that imprecise language such as "who they > are" lies at the root of the disagreement here. "Who they are" in the sense of "what their name is" is obviously irrelevant to whether they fired the gun. And I contend the vast majority of "choices this person has made over time" would be similarly unconnected to that night's events. > I > think there may be some disagreement about the meaning > of "invasive" as well. Probably more to do with context. My comment about sounding too invasive to be comfortable would, in hindsight, have sat better at the beginning of my final paragraph. > Well, if a person is suspected of a crime, many of his > various identities are irrelevant. Probably most. > Others may be > critical to establishing guilt or innocence. The authorities need to prove guilt. The suspect does not need to prove innocence. > o if guilt is proven, that is the only identity we > care about w.r.t. the crime; There are those who disagree, and insist on Criminal Record checks when an individual interacts with them in a context completely unrelated to any crime - such as a job application. > o if guilt is disproven, then the suspect's public > identities are relevant to publishing his innocence. If the suspicion went to court but was not proven, that is a matter of public record. If it never went to court, it would often be in the individual's interest to not draw attention to having been a suspect. (-: > (This is why I tend to think of identification as the > establishment and maintenance of sets of mappings or > labels. I have a lot of labels ("identities") stuck on > me by family, friends, enemies, employers, trading > partners, etc., each of which is more or less > independent. Various sets of these labels make up how > my associates retrieve their concepts of me.) That is right. Each person sees only the subset of labels relevant to mutual interaction, plus any additional that the subject chooses to reveal or the associate happens to stumble upon. (What if each of these labels mapped to a UID on an OpenPGP key, but anybody who didn't see that particular label on you could not read the corresponding UID on your key?) - -- Best regards MFPA mailto:2014-667rhzu3dc-lists-gro...@riseup.net Confusion is always the most honest response -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQF8BAEBCgBmBQJUrJOOXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRCM0FFN0VDQTlBOEM4QjMwMjZBNUEwRjU2 QjdDNzRDRUIzMUYyNUYwAAoJEGt8dM6zHyXwc5cH/26xRrdQ0njl2F8XoKdrRDpM 84YeQ2OeRjILpXjcQv0lCViEmb7x0mpHgoMIcOIzetzUzgzSKsqiLOYnrBiczCho yyg/WObdpep5DdvvRHLY/HQm43j8AsPDmX8AMxhTYJjJRdKNDL7Dw67cWQDyydnw mi9LFb7U4Jdms9swW57qR0HXWvw2mWJSLeBgiHzzRvIR1q8Mt2gjFlpeU9dP75Bt OImFi3EborqhKfEFg0bPmvyuhkYkKWYtHr2A0DTSLe/GoPWZpk7IcqNAksf1jGyT Rv1W5JHPSWoMPmMlgXVDhu1jGiCtr8zEbGuOxLOg3mOjrTg7VVq/EEa1cS106yGI vgQBFgoAZgUCVKyTlV8UgAAAAAAuAChpc3N1ZXItZnByQG5vdGF0aW9ucy5vcGVu cGdwLmZpZnRoaG9yc2VtYW4ubmV0MzNBQ0VENEVFOTEzNEVFQkRFNkE4NTA2MTcx MkJDNDYxQUY3NzhFNAAKCRAXErxGGvd45KQFAQDb1031URw83UVd4Oig4NEjn4RO tIhF/ZmbEj5yvpAVUQEAQzbbPe42dVBeeZ+1N0zFPnuDCnzwZkcS7atZHb1NnAs= =q+KL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users