Hyunsik wrote:
Thank you for your help.

But if you don't mind can you tell me more specifically?

Actually I don't know exactly what isolated protein system is.


If you're running pdb2gmx on a single amino acid, then some force fields have special parameters for this zwitterion. If you have a polypeptide, use normal (NH3+ and COO-) termini, not the special zwitterionic forms.

If this is still not clear, please post your pdb2gmx command line and any screen output that indicates your choices for prompted input for specific comment.

-Justin

hyun
2011. 4. 6., 오후 8:56, Justin A. Lemkul 작성:


Hyunsik wrote:
hm...
is it possible that there is partial charge because of terminal of zwitterions?
(NH3+ and COO-)
When i tried to make system with terminal of just NH3+ and COO-, there was no 
partial charge like 5.00.
But when i used zwitterion terminal, that made the 5.05 charge of the system..
it can be happened? Or something weird?
The zwitterion option should only be used for isolated amino acids.  If you 
have anything longer than a single residue (i.e. a polypeptide), you should not 
choose zwitterion-NH3+ or zwitterion-COO-, just the normal NH3+ and COO-.

-Justin

Hyun
2011. 4. 6., 오후 5:00, Erik Marklund 작성:
mohsen ramezanpour skrev 2011-04-06 09.31:

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Erik Marklund <er...@xray.bmc.uu.se 
<mailto:er...@xray.bmc.uu.se>> wrote:

   Hi,

   No we don't. You can't have fractions of elementary particles in
   your molecules.

Dear Erik

Yes,You are right.It <http://right.It> is obvious .
But I wanted to simulate a part of my system.for example a part of my protein!
I was wrong,we can't do that

I think there are several examples of that in literature, e.g. by Åqvist and 
coworkers. But think they use a different approach than just cutting away part 
of the protein.

Erik
   Erik

   mohsen ramezanpour skrev 2011-04-06 09.13:
   Daer Dr.Mark

   You are right,But all of them(as I know) have integer charges!
   the problem is simullating a system with partial charges.
   We absolutely have such systems.

   On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Mark Abraham
   <mark.abra...@anu.edu.au <mailto:mark.abra...@anu.edu.au>> wrote:

       On 6/04/2011 4:45 PM, mohsen ramezanpour wrote:
       Dear Dr.Justin

       What can we do (how can neutralize system) if the total
       charge of our system was not integer?
       I think  there is not any solution and we have to simulate
       a charged system not a neutral.
       Am I right?
       I suspect every tutorial for simulating proteins in water
       deals with the need for counter-ions, and the technique for
       generating them.

       Mark


       Thanks in advance

       On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:12 AM, mohsen ramezanpour
       <ramezanpour.moh...@gmail.com
       <mailto:ramezanpour.moh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

           Dear Dr.Justin

           I had the same problem.
           I modified the charges and charge groupsin the             topology 
of a drug.the net charge of it is zero(I am sure)
           though,when I used pdb2gmx it resulted a NOTE like the
           following:

           NOTE:The system has non-zero total charge: 3.000003e00
           I continued simulation and ignored it!
           Because:
           1- I checked my protein.top and qtot was 3
           2-the net charge of my drug was 0
           3-Besides,all charges have 3 digit precision,How can it
           have 0.000003 additional charge?!

           What is your point of view?
           Thanks in advance for your reply



           On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Justin A. Lemkul
           <jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>> wrote:



               김현식 wrote:



                    > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 23:43:19 +1000
                    > From: mark.abra...@anu.edu.au
                   <mailto:mark.abra...@anu.edu.au>
                    > To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
                   <mailto:gmx-users@gromacs.org>
                    > Subject: Re: [gmx-users] How to remove
                   charge of 5e-2 ??
                    >
                    > On 5/04/2011 11:17 PM, Hyunsik wrote:
                    > > Dear experts,
                    > >
                    > > Hi,
                    > >
                    > > When prepare a system, the system had
                   +5.5. So I add 5 CL- ion to neutralize.
                    > >
                    > > But as you know, the Cl charge is -1 and
                   there still is 5e-2. how can i remove that.
                    >
                    > Your statements are inconsistent. If you had
                   5.5 charge and added five
                    > chloride ions, you could not end up with 0.05.

                    oh.. I have mistaken.. I had 5.005 of the
                   system charge.
                     So even if added five choride ions, the
                   system charge is not zero. there was 0.005

                    that is partial charge??  If like that,
                   topology is broken or something wrong? abnormal??
               Maybe, maybe not.  Rounding errors could account
               for this difference, especially if your system is
               very large.  Still, you should inspect your
               topology/topologies for inconsistencies.  If
               pdb2gmx created the topology, keep an eye on the
               "qtot" column for a running total of the charge.
                If you've made or adjusted any topologies on your
               own, double-check your work.  If everything looks
               correct, then the difference is likely a
               consequence of floating-point math and nothing more.

               -Justin


                    Thank you,

                    Hyun

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