mohsen ramezanpour skrev 2011-04-06 09.31:


On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Erik Marklund <er...@xray.bmc.uu.se <mailto:er...@xray.bmc.uu.se>> wrote:

    Hi,

    No we don't. You can't have fractions of elementary particles in
    your molecules.

Dear Erik

Yes,You are right.It is obvious .
But I wanted to simulate a part of my system.for example a part of my protein!
I was wrong,we can't do that

I think there are several examples of that in literature, e.g. by Åqvist and coworkers. But think they use a different approach than just cutting away part of the protein.

Erik

    Erik

    mohsen ramezanpour skrev 2011-04-06 09.13:
    Daer Dr.Mark

    You are right,But all of them(as I know) have integer charges!
    the problem is simullating a system with partial charges.
    We absolutely have such systems.

    On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Mark Abraham
    <mark.abra...@anu.edu.au <mailto:mark.abra...@anu.edu.au>> wrote:

        On 6/04/2011 4:45 PM, mohsen ramezanpour wrote:
        Dear Dr.Justin

        What can we do (how can neutralize system) if the total
        charge of our system was not integer?
        I think  there is not any solution and we have to simulate a
        charged system not a neutral.
        Am I right?

        I suspect every tutorial for simulating proteins in water
        deals with the need for counter-ions, and the technique for
        generating them.

        Mark


        Thanks in advance

        On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:12 AM, mohsen ramezanpour
        <ramezanpour.moh...@gmail.com
        <mailto:ramezanpour.moh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

            Dear Dr.Justin

            I had the same problem.
            I modified the charges and charge groupsin the  topology
            of a drug.the net charge of it is zero(I am sure)
            though,when I used pdb2gmx it resulted a NOTE like the
            following:

            NOTE:The system has non-zero total charge: 3.000003e00
            I continued simulation and ignored it!
            Because:
            1- I checked my protein.top and qtot was 3
            2-the net charge of my drug was 0
            3-Besides,all charges have 3 digit precision,How can it
            have 0.000003 additional charge?!

            What is your point of view?
            Thanks in advance for your reply



            On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Justin A. Lemkul
            <jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>> wrote:



                ??? wrote:



                    > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 23:43:19 +1000
                    > From: mark.abra...@anu.edu.au
                    <mailto:mark.abra...@anu.edu.au>
                    > To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
                    <mailto:gmx-users@gromacs.org>
                    > Subject: Re: [gmx-users] How to remove charge
                    of 5e-2 ??
                    >
                    > On 5/04/2011 11:17 PM, Hyunsik wrote:
                    > > Dear experts,
                    > >
                    > > Hi,
                    > >
                    > > When prepare a system, the system had +5.5.
                    So I add 5 CL- ion to neutralize.
                    > >
                    > > But as you know, the Cl charge is -1 and
                    there still is 5e-2. how can i remove that.
                    >
                    > Your statements are inconsistent. If you had
                    5.5 charge and added five
                    > chloride ions, you could not end up with 0.05.

                     oh.. I have mistaken.. I had 5.005 of the
                    system charge.
                      So even if added five choride ions, the system
                    charge is not zero. there was 0.005

                     that is partial charge??  If like that,
                    topology is broken or something wrong? abnormal??


                Maybe, maybe not.  Rounding errors could account for
                this difference, especially if your system is very
                large.  Still, you should inspect your
                topology/topologies for inconsistencies.  If pdb2gmx
                created the topology, keep an eye on the "qtot"
                column for a running total of the charge.  If you've
                made or adjusted any topologies on your own,
                double-check your work.  If everything looks
                correct, then the difference is likely a consequence
                of floating-point math and nothing more.

                -Justin


                     Thank you,

                     Hyun

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