El 18/9/25 a las 4:30, Alexis escribió:
Javier Martinez <[email protected]> writes:Let's play urbanterror online. Can you?, and openarena? And warzone2100?. Well something easier, pokerth. Or one chess game, what about xboard?Well, for a start, i'm basically not a gamer. :-) But throughout this discussion, my point has been that for some people, such as myself, Wayland is 'ready' enough; but for other people, it's not. i've not only mentioned The GIMP 2.x series as software that doesn't work directly on Wayland, and raised KiCAD as another possible example (because i think i've seen it come up on the Gentoo forums in this context). And indeed, i'm sure that they're far from the only examples.As far as i'm concerned, Wayland is definitely not ready for everyone. There are a lot of people who still need Xorg, and for whom that won't change for a while yet. But not being ready for _everyone_ is not the same as not being ready for _anyone_.The things i mentioned in my previous post were literally the only things running on my desktop at the time of my post. Yes, i do run various other things at various times, such as Easy Effects, pavucontrol, Inkscape, Scribus. But The GIMP stands out for me as one of the few programs _i_ regularly use that still needs Xwayland. i do a lot of other stuff in the terminal, or in Emacs (such as programming, documentation preparation, email, etc.).Are my software pattern usages unusual? Perhaps. But i know i do regularly encounter people online for whom Wayland does what they need, just as i regularly encounter people for whom Wayland _doesn't_ do what they need (and for all i know, may never do).i first checked out Wayland some years ago, when i was using Void. i just couldn't get it to work satisfactorily for me then. It wasn't ready for my use-case. It was more recently that i decided to check it out again. i found it was now ready for my use-case. But i'm very aware that there are many people for whom it is definitely not ready, such as the blind person whose blog post i referenced up-thread.Me saying "Wayland is ready for my use case" doesn't mean i think Xorg should die. Far from it. i hope that enough people stand up to volunteer to help maintain and improve Xorg and its derivatives that it can continue to exist indefinitely.Alexis.
I'm neither a gamer, I just told you software that lacks support of wayland.Please, get realized that you are not using Wayland, you are using Xorg with a wayland driver. The compositor (your wayland) runs under a Xorg server, some applications could run using only "wayland calls" but always under Xorg. So it's a fiction that you are a wayland user, as wayland only works in your setup as could "compton" software work with another users.
If you want to use wayland trully DONT USE xwayland. It's easy. If you want to be a wayland user don't run it under Xorg. If you run it under Xorg (to be able to use Xorg software using Xwayland) you are just one Xorg user that uses a different Xorg driver from me. I user modesetting, you are using wayland. That's all.
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