On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Alecks Gates <aleck...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Alon Bar-Lev <alo...@gentoo.org> wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Alecks Gates <aleck...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Tanstaafl <tansta...@libertytrek.org> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2013-08-18 10:55 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés <can...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> And, putting aside systemd and getting back on topic to the council's >>>>> decision of (eventually) not supporting separated /usr without an >>>>> initramfs; have you ever stopped to consider that, perhaps, that's the >>>>> best *technical* decision? (*gasp*) >>>> >>>> >>>> That is *not* the concern here, Canek, and that should be obvious from the >>>> comments here. >>>> >>>> Repeat: the primary concern is *not* about separate /usr without initramfs. >>>> >>>> The primary concern is that systemd will eventually be shoved down our >>>> throats whether we want it or not, and using eudev or mdev or *anything* >>>> other than systemd (ie OpenRC/eudev) will. >>>> >>> *snip* >>>> >>>>> When you have almost all distributions converging on that, and even >>>>> *the OpenRC maintainer* (which is the one pushing this, BTW, not the >>>>> systemd guys) supporting that decision, don't you think that perhaps, >>>>> just*perhaps*, everybody screaming about the sky falling (which, BTW, >>>>> >>>>> they are certainly noisy, but I really don't think are that many) are >>>>> overreacting and even (*gasp* again) wrong? >>>> >>>> >>>> Again, the main issue is not about separate /usr, so please stop trying to >>>> deflect the subject... >>>> >>> >>> Isn't that what this thread is about? "Optional /usr merge in Gentoo" >>> >>> Can someone please explain to me what's so hard and/or complicated >>> about making an initramfs? At this point in time it's extremely >>> simple for me, but I only manage relatively simple systems (although >>> I'd like that to change soon). All I do is add one extra line (for >>> example - "dracut -H --kver=3.11.0-rc6") to my kernel install >>> procedure. >>> >>> Granted, the only reason I have an initramfs is for the plymouth >>> splash screen (other systems aren't desktops) -- but from everything I >>> can see it's not too complicated otherwise. >> >> Yeah... it is not complicated to but Windows as well, or IBM os-390!!! >> >> You use a tool that hides the initramfs building, and you are amazed >> it is simple? > > Dracut isn't *hiding* anything from me, I just don't need anything > more complicated -- who said I'm amazed? > >> >> The files within the initramfs generation tool are compiled using >> different tool than portage, they are not updated when distribution is >> updated, and they are not even at same version within portage tree. > > Why does this matter? Are there some huge security vulnerabilities > I'm unaware of? >> >> It may be acceptable for you... but do not expect everyone will accept >> your setup. > > Don't mind me, I'm just looking for the logic. Feel free to explain it to me.
What do you mean "Don't mind me"? I don't mind you... as long as you don't force me to do anything... >> >> Regards, >> Alon >> > > -- > Alecks Gates >
