On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Eray Aslan <e...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 10:44:48AM -0400, Alec Warner wrote: > > [1] Which isn't to say that I would accept 'orders' to commit crimes, or > > other obviously bad things. > > This is the crux of the problem. There are certain lines you will not > cross. I am saying that my line is different and by voicing that, > hopefully, making you re-consider yours. > > > I'm again asserting that this idea is not > > fundamentally bad. The community has a 'toxic people problem' and our > > previous attempts at resolution have not really produced great results. > > Will this also produce great results? Not sure. But willing to try it. > > Openness, transparency, inclusiveness. Those are some pretty > fundemental values. Reconsider. But if you decide to go ahead, I am > not going to judge you. You (or the council members who voted yes) are > not bad persons. Just somewhat different values - which is surprising > in a sad way. > I think of my aim is just playing a longer field here. I've been a part of Gentoo for a long time. I've considered leaving numerous times for a variety of reasons; yet I remain. I don't disagree that the issue is important, but leaving an organization really changes the velocity and direction of influence one can have on it. Traditionally I have not seen external contributors have a strong influence in Gentoo; so leaving to me implies a loss of influence. If my goal is to have a good outcome; I'm not convinced leaving accomplishes it. If I leave, will the council change their mind? Why would they? Perhaps you think myself (and other developers) should do more and I think that is a reasonable thing to advocate for; but I'm also fairly happy with a timeline of: 1) We add moderation in ~April. 2) Council election happens in summer (I expect something of a strong reckoning here, in terms of council makeup.) 3) Council` repeals the previous decision and we undo the moderation[1]. I tend to like this approach because I feel like its how the organization was designed to work. I think alternatives involve essentially 'protesting'. E.g. I could propose the council discuss this topic at every meeting. I could try to use my developer-ship to force extra council meetings (emergency meetings perhaps.) I could collect signatures. I'm still not convinced these things would be vehicles for change though. [1] There is of course the risk that this doesn't come about, either because the same council is re-elected or because the new council chooses not to repeal. But I accept this risk willingly. > -- > Eray > >
