On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 1:36 AM, Eray Aslan <e...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:28:48AM -0500, Matthew Thode wrote: >> While I personally do no agree with mailing list moderation infra has >> been tasked with moving forward on it. > > That was a somewhat tongue-in-cheek comment but not wholly. You cant > cop out by saying it was an order from council. I understand if you > dont but do consider it. Fight the good fight.
Interesting. When exactly should we all start ignoring the Council, and when should we do what they say? And what is the likely result of that? For all the complaining of "cabals" in Gentoo it seems odd to suggest putting the final decisions of the one group that is about the least democratic in the organization. (That isn't really intended as a criticism: there are a lot of practical reasons why infra operates as it does and I've yet to come up with any better approach. With the council/trustees the authority comes from the collective, and nobody would pay attention to a directive that didn't have a majority backing or the appearance of due process. With any other project the decisions are appealable to council. With infra one guy with the root password can cause a lot of havoc, and the computer isn't going to stop and question what they're doing. That creates a lot of incentive to minimize the number of people who are trusted. In any case, I think it makes the most sense to do the decision-making in more open/democratic processes, and then minimize the execution footprint that requires "cabals.") As I've commented elsewhere [1] I think an issue here is that we just don't have enough of a critical mass to be able to afford to split along ideological lines. The set of developers interested in a source-based distro is barely sufficient to create a viable source-based distro. If you split it into the subsets who prefer open vs closed mailing lists on top of this then the individual groups lack critical mass. And so we're forced to co-exist, and agree on one or the other, or some kind of compromise. 1 - https://rich0gentoo.wordpress.com/2016/02/27/gentoo-ought-to-be-about-choice/ -- Rich
