W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 14∶06 -0800, użytkownik Matt Turner napisał: > On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Michał Górny <mgo...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > The problems of more abusive behavior from some of the mailing list > > members have been reported to ComRel numerous times. After the failure > > of initial enforcement, I'm not aware of ComRel doing anything to solve > > the problem. The main arguments I've heard from ComRel members were: > > > > A. Bans can be trivially evaded, and history proves that those evasions > > create more noise than leaving the issue as is. > > That's absurd. "We shouldn't enforce rules because people can break the rules" > > > B. People should be allowed to express their opinion [even if it's pure > > hate speech that carries no value to anyone]. > > That's absurd. There's no reason to have to tolerate non-constructive > conversation on our own mailing lists. Classify it as off topic. We > tell people their posts are off topic for a particular mailing list > all the time. > > > C. The replies of Gentoo developers were worse [no surprise that people > > lose their patience after being attacked for a few months]. > > That's absurd. You have to look at where the problem starts to fix it, > not engage in whataboutism. > > > The alternative suggested by ComRel pretty much boiled down to 'ignore > > the trolls'. While we can see this is actually starting to happen right > > now (even the most determined developers stopped replying), this doesn't > > really solve the problem because: > > That's absurd. The whole point of bringing problems to ComRel is so > they can solve it. Telling people to deal with it is explicitly not > solving the problem. > > > The Gentoo community (not just the developers) would stand to benefit > from a capable and competent ComRel team. It's very sad that we don't > have that. > > Unfortunately, my experience is much the same as yours. ComRel > explicitly refused to act when a bug reporter was repeatedly abusive, > instead arguing that he didn't do anything wrong and that I shouldn't > be so offended. Even the user disagreed with ComRel, apologizing and > saying that his own behavior was out of line when I confronted him. > That's absurd.
I have to formally point out that during this Council's term we haven't had a single complaint about actions (or lack thereof) of ComRel. -- Best regards, Michał Górny
