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On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 15:20:41 -0400
"Rick \"Zero_Chaos\" Farina" <zeroch...@gentoo.org> wrote:

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> On 11/02/2013 11:03 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> > Dnia 2013-11-02, o godz. 14:51:26
> > Tom Wijsman <tom...@gentoo.org> napisał(a):
> > 
> >> On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 09:16:45 -0400
> >> "Anthony G. Basile" <bluen...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> This is a followup to a discussion on IRC yesterday regarding
> >>> breakage that's occurring to catalyst builds as a result of the
> >>> recent move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec.
> >>
> >> This has been happening to users as well, for example:
> >>
> >> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-973998.html
> >> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-974412.html
> >>
> >> To move forward and get this resolved, some questions:
> >>
> >> 1. Has this been resolved for users? Do they just need to sync?
> >> 2. If not resolved for users, what is the best temporary
> >> workaround? 3. Are you able to fix this? Do you need help to fix
> >> this? 4. Depending on the nature of the fix: Would a news item be
> >> needed?
> > 
> > From what I heard, most of people get this working through a plain:
> > 
> >   emerge -Du @world
> > 
> > If someone is really reluctant to world updates, it is enough to
> > upgrade dev-python/python-exec to 10000.*:
> > 
> >   emerge -1v dev-python/python-exec
> > 
> > I was considering writing a news item for it but we discussed it on
> > IRC and decided that users are really expected to be able to handle
> > themselves, especially wrt to:
> > 
> > 1. using 'emerge -Du @world' to upgrade their systems,
> > 
> > 2. reading the blocker output to see that it states
> > '<dev-python/python-exec-10000' -> which suggests: what if I
> > upgrade to 10000?
> > 
> > If you believe that a news item would be helpful, I'm happy to write
> > it. Just please make sure that we're all in agreement over the
> > method of handling the issue.
> 
> A news item isn't enough for breaking autobuilds.  If we can't find a
> way to do this properly so portage knows how to upgrade then it is
> being done WRONG.
> 
> Autobuilds break, gentoo can't be installed, the distro dies.  I know,
> sounds like I'm making something out of nothing but every time people
> look at the stages and notice they are months out of date we find
> another blog post announcing how gentoo is dead.
> 
> Honestly, if I knew a way to fix this I would have already made any
> changes needed to fix it.  Please fix this, because if you don't,
> eventually I'll find a way and I doubt you will like it.

I guess you can run a basic QA like that the image boots and gets the
network up with openQA (or using the same method) at least to detect
such breakage.

> - -Zero
> > 
> > Additionally, the news item would state how to get rid of the old
> > deps. This will presumably involve something like:
> > 
> >   emerge -1v $( qdepends -NCQ dev-python/python-exec )
> > 
> > Please note that 'equery d' from gentoolkit is currently broken due
> > to some random magic inside portage and doesn't list all the
> > packages correctly.
> > 
> > However, for the latter it would be probably preferred to wait with
> > it till python-exec:2 is stable on all arches to avoid rebuilding
> > packages twice in a short time.
> > 
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