-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 07/24/2012 09:33 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote: > On 24-07-2012 09:24:03 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: >> I guess this is a matter of opinion, but on Gentoo I don't think we're >> really at much risk of driving people away by OVER-communicating. Our >> users are used to things changing and a certain level of >> fix-it-yourself, but if we know something is going to cause no end of >> questions it only makes sense to throw the users a bone once in a >> while. > > The way in which news items aggressively request your attention, makes > them something that should only be used if it's obvious it's important > for the user (e.g. postfix thing for postfix users). > This particular change seems more something for -announce, note in the > handbook, and something like the suggestion of a file giving a nice > hint. > > My impression is that the message is absolutely useless to the majority > of users on their *already installed* system, so don't make everyone > have to see the news item notice a couple of times and run `eselect news > read` just for this. > > While I completely understand where Fabian is coming from on all this I respectfully disagree. Long term gentoo users do NOT read the handbook, ever. I still install new systems with odd hacks that I picked up when gentoo was versioned 1.x and it pleases me, I don't care if those steps are not in the docs anymore or discouraged or whatever. I've not even glanced at the handbook for years, yet I've installed gentoo on dozens of systems since the last time I did.
This is a big enough change that it will throw users who do not know, and my first impression of /etc/make.conf et all missing on a new stage is "file a bug report for a broken stage and assign it to those morons in releng". (please note the comic exaggeration and not a disrespect). This is a change that will break all new installs and expecting experienced gentoo users to read the handbook is simply a fantasy. Please, keep the news item. Thanks, Zero -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQDu77AAoJEKXdFCfdEflKKWoQAJ/OlrkIE+6uKkNxwXZimPNq aj0aNN4JEt5b/+ZCU1hYX2NyagPXshRcsyta+8Oizq5BSt32pZFq/jq5znpvRC0u uUl5BBKepC2EjS8D3rmSwMqdpYoCLBeBQsNPpTT2NPDd932D5Pdv29SDe9dToeXe 7V3lijI2U5mvpoBikJ9l3zZ/COQ2OD7/0ExFcDLFbxJYsvVe9cZKhaOI9fj9ZJxs 1VWhRJDkne1fD7cxtZAY9b3jIDrTFDJ5bDBYL6V8aoiYdkjingj6JrFNmR3BMP1t 3zze9mED0kVEosQO2VV1XzR5ZqFldL+WZltCugVJvEFqYG9lpulMvQz3ZwabdCmO sEk8oLLW/I5KRe4DylXl0xKWwdwMGpJ9uk01d3j0Egl2+xdjpdKX9ir7UjFYCuia 9xagRb5pDqBQujfycsuFPlTU+y6/MIP/v+hseyn5hUzpboWvdUdzkdfQQmQfTJpA 4ty96fRMYsUzRN1p/JDZa/nfETcJF/14JzLKCkj4cOl5nbmuKqH4kj60FVRPrReQ zVg/dYA+68tYLO495CVr5CMR95YlxxmpucEiGhhl8CBu3Xmrp/vcZWigWgEkwhNE WkdlU2x/elLaYOwH9BqMjhQeHzaMqvHKbSStycA0OZL5DQb5nJznX64FRsAdqWGR GC8MPmmWE3O+Dki1fD2Z =6nK0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
