On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:56:11 -0600
Dale <rdalek1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Michał Górny wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:14:52 +0100
> > Enrico Weigelt<weig...@metux.de>  wrote:
> >
> >> * Micha?? Górny<mgo...@gentoo.org>  schrieb:
> >>
> >>> Does working hard involve compiling even more packages statically?
> >> I guess, he means keeping udev in / ?
> > Because adding 80 KiB of initramfs hurts so much? We should then put
> > more work just to ensure that admin doesn't have to waste 15
> > minutes to recompile the kernel (if necessary), create an initramfs
> > and add it to bootloader config?
> >
> 
> 
> Took me days to get dracut to work.  Where does 15 minutes come
> from?

I just took the time I needed to write an initramfs from scratch
and divided it by two, assuming using an already-made tool is simpler.

> How much time does it take when the initramfs fails?

The same when rootfs fails? Only the fact that initramfs is less likely
to break than rootfs, and you have a pretty good opportunity now to
experiment with it while nothing on your system made it useless without
one.

> I keep hoping that all the smart people involved in this will see the
> mess it is creating. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed but I'm
> sharp enough to see the mess this is going to create and I'm just a
> desktop user.  I feel sorry for people with more complicated systems
> or remote ones.

The mess was created by people shouting 'hey, real men use
separate /usr for no good reason! Be awesome like us'.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

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