On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:11:49 +0000 George Prowse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you think that that's all a package manager should do, you have a > > serious lack of imagination. Most users need or would heavily > > benefit from far more. See http://ciaranm.org/show_post/95 for some > > modest ideas that have turned out to be useful. > > > All well and good (and I agree that those would be nice) but none > that today's average Gentoo user is going to notice as a "major > visible improvement". --depclean has improved dramatically so the > --uninstall will be just another way of doing it.
I think you're massively underestimating the requirements of the average user, what with the tree as complex as it is these days. Most users now: * Have to use external repositories * Have to handle at least some keywording overrides themselves * Have to have some way of managing huge metapackages * Have closer to a thousand than a hundred installed packages * Aren't involved in development work * Expect their systems to work These are very different use cases than those for which Portage was designed. > > * Uninstalling a package along with its now-unused dependencies > > * Uninstalling a package along with everything depending upon it > > Yup, i agree with you there, --depclean seem to be mostly working > properly so that is not so much of a problem but > --uninstall-with-deps would be great depclean is something else. It's much broader in its impact. It has its uses, but the correct tool is not always a hammer. > >>> Sunrise is the canonical example. Also consider the way the forums > >>> are being run (like it or not, the forums are taken by many to be > >>> representative of Gentoo's user base)... > >>> > >>> > >> It seems to most that the forums is the only part of Gentoo that > >> is - and always has been - running smoothly > >> > > > > Smoothly is not productively or effectively. > But they do it VERY productively and effectively - look how fast they > ban the troublemakers and trolls. Maybe they should control the > lists...? And look at how much development work goes on there. If the forum mods were in charge, reporting QA violations would get the reporter banned for a "personal attack" and "trolling". > Methinks you should "sheath your swords for lack of argument" on this > one (Henry V - Act 3 Scene 1) So now you're quoting Shakespeare as an argument? -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail : ciaranm at ciaranm.org Web : http://ciaranm.org/ Paludis, the secure package manager : http://paludis.pioto.org/
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