On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:31:08 +0000 George Prowse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > I think you're massively underestimating the requirements of the
> > average user, what with the tree as complex as it is these days.
> > Most users now:
> >
> > * Have to use external repositories
> > * Have to handle at least some keywording overrides themselves
> > * Have to have some way of managing huge metapackages
> > * Have closer to a thousand than a hundred installed packages
> > * Aren't involved in development work
> > * Expect their systems to work
> >
> > These are very different use cases than those for which Portage was
> > designed.
>
> So where is the "visible improvement"?

For Portage, there hasn't been any for a very long time. The last
serious improvement for end users was package.keywords etc, and whilst
that was one step forward a long time ago, for Gentoo to regain an edge
it needs at least dozens more like it every year.

Do you know how many Gentoo users are leaving for Ubuntu or Fedora
because Gentoo no longer offers an edge? Gentoo can no longer rely upon
the competition sucking...

> Nope, as a suggestion. Note the "lack of an argument" part and the
> quote you missed out: "But they do it VERY productively and
> effectively - look how fast they ban the troublemakers and trolls".

Which, even if it were true, is besides the point if doing so prevents
any development from getting done. And just how much development gets
done on the forums?

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Ciaran McCreesh
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