Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:11:49 +0000 George Prowse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
If you think that that's all a package manager should do, you have a
serious lack of imagination. Most users need or would heavily
benefit from far more. See http://ciaranm.org/show_post/95 for some
modest ideas that have turned out to be useful.
All well and good (and I agree that those would be nice) but none
that today's average Gentoo user is going to notice as a "major
visible improvement". --depclean has improved dramatically so the
--uninstall will be just another way of doing it.
I think you're massively underestimating the requirements of the
average user, what with the tree as complex as it is these days. Most
users now:
* Have to use external repositories
* Have to handle at least some keywording overrides themselves
* Have to have some way of managing huge metapackages
* Have closer to a thousand than a hundred installed packages
* Aren't involved in development work
* Expect their systems to work
These are very different use cases than those for which Portage was
designed.
So where is the "visible improvement"?
Sunrise is the canonical example. Also consider the way the forums
are being run (like it or not, the forums are taken by many to be
representative of Gentoo's user base)...
It seems to most that the forums is the only part of Gentoo that
is - and always has been - running smoothly
Smoothly is not productively or effectively.
But they do it VERY productively and effectively - look how fast they
ban the troublemakers and trolls. Maybe they should control the
lists...?
And look at how much development work goes on there. If the forum mods
were in charge, reporting QA violations would get the reporter banned
for a "personal attack" and "trolling".
Methinks you should "sheath your swords for lack of argument" on this
one (Henry V - Act 3 Scene 1)
So now you're quoting Shakespeare as an argument?
Nope, as a suggestion. Note the "lack of an argument" part and the quote
you missed out: "But they do it VERY productively and effectively - look
how fast they ban the troublemakers and trolls".
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