Hi Huxing Zhang & Jun Liu Thanks to both of you. Clear these things quickly. I think I am good now.
Wish the Dubbo project will graduate soon. Good luck. Sheng Wu 吴晟 Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin Twitter, wusheng1108 Huxing Zhang <hux...@apache.org> 于2019年4月29日周一 下午5:50写道： > Hi, > > I have summarized it here: > > Dubbo code base: https://github.com/alibaba/dubbo has been > transferred to https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo > Spring Boot Support: > https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-spring-boot-project has been > transferred to > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-spring-boot-project > Dubbo Admin Console: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-ops has been > transferred to https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-admin > Json RPC extension: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-rpc-jsonrpc has > been transferred to > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-rpc-jsonrpc, and further > merged into incubator-dubbo, which can be deleted. > Home Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io, as summarized > before, this repo hosts dubbo.io which has been redirected to > https://dubbo.apache.org, and it will be deleted before May 31. > > Dubbo Documentation: > - User guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-user-book-en > - Developer guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-dev-book-en > - Admin guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-admin-book-en > Dubbo Documentation (Chinese) > - User guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-user-book > - Developer guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-dev-book > - Admin guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-admin-book > > These have been transferred to > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-docs, and further merged to > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-website. > I have noticed that https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-user-book-en has > been redirected to an archived project > https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-user-book-en. I've no idea how this > is happened, I think it should be removed. > > Samples/Demo: > - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-feature-test has been transferred to > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-feature-test > - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-docker-sample has been moved to > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-samples and then deleted > - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-http-demo has been moved to > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-samples and then deleted > - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-ws-demo has been moved to > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-samples/ and then deleted > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 5:06 PM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > I am just asking the question about the repo in the proposal. > > Because all repo(s) in the proposal should have been moved into ASF. > > Could you add the status of all repo in your WIKI page? > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > Huxing Zhang <hux...@apache.org> 于2019年4月29日周一 下午4:59写道： > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:29 PM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > Branding issues should be improved now. No concern for that. > > > > > > > > But, I have a question, which also needs the Dubbo community to > clear. > > > > > > > > In the Dubbo incubator proposal[1], there are several repositories > > > > in Initial Source > > > > - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en [archieved in > > > chickenlj[2] > > > > personal repo] > > > > - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-admin-book-en [archieved in > > > chickenlj > > > > personal repo] > > > > - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-docker-sample [404] > > > > - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-http-demo [404] > > > > ...(and several others repos) > > > > > > > > Also, chickenlj[3] can't be found in Dubbo team[4]. Maybe really > 'can't`, > > > > but I can't find a match by name(ken or ken.lj). > > > > > > > > Could someone tell me what is going on? > > > > > > chickenlj is Jun Liu, who has been listed on the PMC members. You can > > > find it in the resolution proposal. > > > I do not quite understand, what is the concern here? > > > > > > > Are these being included in the Dubbo website document, already? > > > > > > Yes. dubbo-dev-book-en, dubbo-admin-book-en, and etc. has been > > > transferred here[1], which just contains the documentation. > > > After Dubbo joins incubator, a new Dubbo website has been created, and > > > all the documentation has been merged into [2] > > > > > > > Or the proposal changed. > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-docs > > > [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-website > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal > > > > [2] https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en > > > > [3] https://github.com/chickenlj > > > > [4] > http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/docs/developers/developers_dev.html > > > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > > > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > > > > > > > Huxing Zhang <hux...@apache.org> 于2019年4月28日周日 下午11:05写道： > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community. > > > > > > > > > > - The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted > > > > > - The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For > > > Apache > > > > > Dubbo > > > > > - A new group called thubbo[2] has been created > > > > > - All projects under dubbo group are renamed in > xxx-for-apache-dubbo > > > > > format in compliance with the policies > > > > > - For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community > > > > > has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18 > > > > > projects[3]. Among them, > > > > > * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be > > > > > transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June > 30th) > > > > > * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all > > > > > branding issues cleared. > > > > > * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st. > (redirect > > > > > dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns) > > > > > * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be > transferred > > > > > to thubbo group if no response is received. > > > > > * The detailed status has been summarized here[4]. > > > > > * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be > > > > > transferred to thubbo group instead. > > > > > > > > > > Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to > ASF/outside > > > > > dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the > > > > > projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before > ETA. > > > > > > > > > > The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether > > > > > this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope > > > > > this could clear the concern from IPMC. > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/dubbo > > > > > [2] https://github.com/thubbo > > > > > [3] > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E > > > > > [4] > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <hux...@apache.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ian....@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave & Others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for > > > building > > > > > > > Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the > projects > > > > > which > > > > > > > will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this > "3rd > > > > > party" > > > > > > > site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects > > > won't > > > > > > > donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site > does > > > not > > > > > > > necessarily exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding > issues, in > > > > > order to > > > > > > > answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee > > > hat. > > > > > It is > > > > > > > an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue > as > > > > > quickly > > > > > > > as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet > > > > > > > > > > > > Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left > dubbo as > > > > > > an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying > to > > > > > > abuse it) > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done > > > > > > > 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies - > > > ongoing > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested > for the > > > > > long > > > > > > > run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to > be > > > vote > > > > > in > > > > > > > dubbo's mailing list): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA > > > > > > > > > > > > I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo > > > community > > > > > > to work out a ETA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if > > > they > > > > > are > > > > > > > willing to (after they go through the vote certainly) > > > > > > > > > > > > As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer > by > > > > > > earning enough merit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be > > > deleted > > > > > > > > > > > > +1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's > community > > > > > today, and > > > > > > > we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to > the > > > > > board > > > > > > > meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by > > > doing > > > > > this. > > > > > > > Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan > if > > > any > > > > > > > further suggestion comes up. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of > [1] to > > > > > > IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA. > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > -Ian. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher < > > > dave2w...@comcast.net> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (With trademark committee hat) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trademark resources can all be found from here: > > > > > > > > Trademark resources sitemap: > > > > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources > > > > > > > > PMC responsibility: > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility > > > > > > > > Improper third party uses: > > > > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police > > > > > > > > Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the > > > situation > > > > > where > > > > > > > > a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists > > > that > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to > be > > > > > working with > > > > > > > > and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd > > > party" > > > > > site > > > > > > > > is and when that will be achieved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Dubbo mentor hat) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various > > > issues > > > > > in an > > > > > > > > ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan > and > > > > > then agree > > > > > > > > on the needed language on the “3rd party site” > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated > > > into the > > > > > > > > project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The > “for > > > > > Apache > > > > > > > > Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into > Dubbo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to > carefully > > > > > address > > > > > > > > the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu < > > > wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that > indicates > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might > need > > > that > > > > > > > > > information soon-ish myself, thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and > > > > > SkyWalking > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > facing that question. Could someone help about this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin > > > > > > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan Piotrowski <piotrow...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 > 下午11:29写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Semi OT: > > > > > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that > indicates > > > > > that > > > > > > > > >> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might > need > > > that > > > > > > > > >> information soon-ish myself, thanks. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> -J > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu < > > > > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> Hi, > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to > > > > > > > > >>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, > especially for > > > > > these > > > > > > > > >> three. > > > > > > > > >>> I also used to see the traditional rename to > > > > > xxx-for-apache-project > > > > > > > > >>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js > > > > > > > > >>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py > > > > > > > > >>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release > > > > > repo(npm), the > > > > > > > > >>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. > Right? > > > > > > > > >>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking > used > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > >>> stop in the same case. > > > > > > > > >>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which > > > isn't. > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js > > > > > > > > >>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin > > > > > > > > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 > > > 下午10:46写道： > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>> Hi > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from > 'dubbo' to > > > > > other > > > > > > > > >> name > > > > > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain > name > > > > > > > > >>>> dubbo.github.io, > > > > > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to > > > keep > > > > > website > > > > > > > > >> in > > > > > > > > >>>>> this group > > > > > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization > to > > > > > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the > decision. > > > I > > > > > just > > > > > > > > >> reply > > > > > > > > >>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the > > > > > > > > dubbo.github.io > > > > > > > > >> , > > > > > > > > >>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea. > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my > > > concern. I > > > > > trust > > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > > >>>> Dubbo community could make it right. > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> Thanks. > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin > > > > > > > > >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> Ian Luo <ian....@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道： > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my prev > reply[1], > > > > > which > > > > > > > > >>>>> concerns me > > > > > > > > >>>>>> more are > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 1. Website codebase. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo. > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be > > > disallowed, > > > > > we will > > > > > > > > >> do > > > > > > > > >>>>> the > > > > > > > > >>>>> following things against dubbo group: > > > > > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from > 'dubbo' to > > > > > other > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain > name > > > > > > > > >> dubbo.github.io > > > > > > > > >>>>> , > > > > > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to > > > keep > > > > > website > > > > > > > > >> in > > > > > > > > >>>>> this group > > > > > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization > to > > > > > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely > addressed > > > once > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> actions > > > > > > > > >>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our > > > > > mentors and > > > > > > > > >>>>> hopefully get back to you soon. > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Regards, > > > > > > > > >>>>> -Ian. > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang < > > > > > hux...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Hi, > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu < > > > > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Hi. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under > > > going. > > > > > We > > > > > > > > >> cannot > > > > > > > > >>>>>> do it > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and > make > > > sure > > > > > ICLA > > > > > > > > >> for > > > > > > > > >>>>>> each > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> projects are signed, > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, > which > > > is > > > > > > > > >> decided by > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything into Apache > group > > > > > except > > > > > > > > >> for > > > > > > > > >>>>> the > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to > > > > > dubbo.apache.org. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern more. > Especially > > > you > > > > > say > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional? > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io > > > > > > > > >>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website before > joining > > > > > ASF. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think it is > better to > > > > > move them > > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > > > >>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing the word > > > > > "eventually". > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section > > > Initial > > > > > > > > >> Source, > > > > > > > > >>>>> "Home > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"; > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished, you should > wait > > > for > > > > > that > > > > > > > > >> before > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> graduation. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to > dubbo.io > > > > > has been > > > > > > > > >>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and > > > host > > > > > all in > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If > > > not, > > > > > which > > > > > > > > >> is > > > > > > > > >>>>>> harder > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> to understand for me. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to > > > either > > > > > Apache > > > > > > > > >> or > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to change the > DNS > > > > > record. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to > > > dubbo.apache.org. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> This is a block for me. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for > dubbo > > > group > > > > > > > > >> like > > > > > > > > >>>>> this: > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly about the > > > > > logo(GitHub > > > > > > > > >> org > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are > the > > > same, > > > > > > > > >> which > > > > > > > > >>>>> both > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> them belong to ASF. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has not been > cleared. > > > > > > > > >> Especially, I > > > > > > > > >>>>>> think > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so > > > this > > > > > should > > > > > > > > >> be > > > > > > > > >>>>> able > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> to be fixed. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization if > this is > > > an > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is > useful > > > just > > > > > for > > > > > > > > >>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Another way is to create another group with something > > > other > > > > > than > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF: > > > > > > > > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system > temporarily > > > > > before the > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> transition finishes. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are > going to > > > be a > > > > > > > > >> TLP, the > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what > do > > > you > > > > > want > > > > > > > > >> about > > > > > > > > >>>>>> your > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> own repo. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the > > > specific > > > > > ones > > > > > > > > >> in > > > > > > > > >>>>> the > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/ > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Ian Luo <ian....@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道： > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many > projects > > > are > > > > > > > > >> done. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Could > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo > > > GitHub[1] > > > > > org > > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > > > >>>>> be > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as, > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or > some > > > other > > > > > > > > >>>>>> way(community > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under > > > going. > > > > > We > > > > > > > > >> cannot > > > > > > > > >>>>>> do it > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and > make > > > sure > > > > > > > > >> ICLA > > > > > > > > >>>>> for > > > > > > > > >>>>>> each > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > >> into > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Apache > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which serves > redirection > > > > > dubbo.io > > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for > dubbo > > > group > > > > > > > > >> like > > > > > > > > >>>>> this: > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF: > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this > group > > > is > > > > > for > > > > > > > > >>>>> hosting > > > > > > > > >>>>>> dubbo > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the transition > finishes. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards, > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> -Ian. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu < > > > > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which > now > > > > > > > > >> redirects > > > > > > > > >>>>> to > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other > projects > > > it > > > > > may > > > > > > > > >> be > > > > > > > > >>>>>> that a > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action > is > > > being > > > > > > > > >> taken. > > > > > > > > >>>>> The > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a > > > number of > > > > > > > > >> times > > > > > > > > >>>>> in > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it. e.g. > > > [1][2] > > > > > and > > > > > > > > >> more > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> recently > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> [3][4]. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is > > > happening > > > > > [5]. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many > projects > > > are > > > > > > > > >> done. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Could > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo > > > GitHub[1] > > > > > org > > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > > > >>>>> be > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as, > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or > some > > > other > > > > > > > > >>>>>> way(community > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many > > > > > > > > >>>>>> projects/developers, > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> so > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure the branding is clear > > > before > > > > > > > > >>>>> graduation. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been > > > canceled, > > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a > discussion > > > > > > > > >> started on > > > > > > > > >>>>>> legal > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I > also > > > note > > > > > it > > > > > > > > >> was > > > > > > > > >>>>> the > > > > > > > > >>>>>> PPMC > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes from the same > reason > > > I > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > >>>>> about > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> branding. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many > media(s), > > > > > many > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF > project, > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> PMC > > > > > > > > >>>>> is > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ready > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in first place. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> > 于2019年4月24日周三 > > > > > > > > >> 上午7:19写道： > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi, > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache > > > > > branding, > > > > > > > > >>>>> then > > > > > > > > >>>>>> why > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the > > > exact > > > > > > > > >> name > > > > > > > > >>>>> and > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> logo. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which > now > > > > > > > > >> redirects > > > > > > > > >>>>> to > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other > > > projects it > > > > > > > > >> may be > > > > > > > > >>>>>> that a > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action > is > > > being > > > > > > > > >>>>> taken. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> The > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a > > > number > > > > > of > > > > > > > > >>>>> times > > > > > > > > >>>>>> in > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it. e.g. > > > [1][2] > > > > > > > > >> and > > > > > > > > >>>>> more > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> recently > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> [3][4]. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is > > > happening > > > > > [5]. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using > Apache > > > mail > > > > > > > > >>>>>> list[3]. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> But > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just an oversight, but if > > > someone > > > > > > > > >> from the > > > > > > > > >>>>>> PPMC > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> can > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would be good. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the > Dubbo > > > > > > > > >> name. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> See [5]. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release > Apache > > > > > Dubbo > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue > hasn't > > > been > > > > > > > > >>>>>> addressed > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inside > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain > > > > > thing(maybe), > > > > > > > > >>>>> but at > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> this > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not be included. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been > > > canceled, > > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a > > > discussion > > > > > > > > >> started > > > > > > > > >>>>> on > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> legal > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I > also > > > note > > > > > > > > >> it was > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> PPMC > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Justin > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 3. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 4. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 5. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > > > > >>>>> general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > > > > >>>>> general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> -- > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Best Regards！ > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Huxing > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Best Regards！ > > > > > > Huxing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Best Regards！ > > > > > Huxing > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best Regards！ > > > Huxing > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > Best Regards！ > Huxing > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
