Hi > Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates that such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that information soon-ish myself, thanks.
I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and SkyWalking were facing that question. Could someone help about this? Sheng Wu 吴晟 Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin Twitter, wusheng1108 Jan Piotrowski <piotrow...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午11:29写道： > Semi OT: > Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates that > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that > information soon-ish myself, thanks. > > -J > > Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu < > wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com>: > > > > Hi, > > > > 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to > > > xxx-for-apache-dubbo > > > > The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially for these > three. > > I also used to see the traditional rename to xxx-for-apache-project > > 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js > > 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py > > 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework > > > > Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release repo(npm), the > > description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right? > > If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used to be asked > > stop in the same case. > > Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which isn't. > > > > [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js > > [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:46写道： > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > 1. We will remove the organization avatar > > > > 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to other > name > > > > 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name > > > dubbo.github.io, > > > > but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep website > in > > > > this group > > > > 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to > > > > xxx-for-apache-dubbo > > > > > > Please discuss with your community, then make the decision. I just > reply > > > the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the dubbo.github.io > , > > > if the community wants), is also a good idea. > > > > > > I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my concern. I trust > the > > > Dubbo community could make it right. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin > > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > > > > Ian Luo <ian....@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道： > > > > > >> > > > >> > Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1], which > > >> concerns me > > >> > more are > > >> > 1. Website codebase. > > >> > 2. GitHub org name and logo. > > >> > > >> > > >> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be disallowed, we will > do > > >> the > > >> following things against dubbo group: > > >> 1. We will remove the organization avatar > > >> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to other name > > >> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name > dubbo.github.io > > >> , > > >> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep website > in > > >> this group > > >> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to > > >> xxx-for-apache-dubbo > > >> > > >> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed once the > actions > > >> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our mentors and > > >> hopefully get back to you soon. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> -Ian. > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <hux...@apache.org> > wrote: > > >> > > >> > Hi, > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu < > wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Hi. > > >> > > > > >> > > > As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going. We > cannot > > >> > do it > > >> > > for all because we need to examine the license and make sure ICLA > for > > >> > each > > >> > > projects are signed, > > >> > > > > >> > > I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which is > decided by > > >> > the > > >> > > project owner or Dubbo community. > > >> > > > > >> > > > eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group except > for > > >> the > > >> > > repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org. > > >> > > > > >> > > As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially you say > > >> > > `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional? > > >> > > > >> > No. The redirection has been completed. > > >> > You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io > > >> > The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME. > > >> > Other files are archive for the old website before joining ASF. > > >> > To make it better understandable, I think it is better to move them > to > > >> > other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose. > > >> > I update the description and readme, removing the word "eventually". > > >> > > > >> > > Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section Initial > Source, > > >> "Home > > >> > > Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"; > > >> > > If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait for that > before > > >> > > graduation. > > >> > > > >> > IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io has been > > >> > redirected to dubbo.apache.org. > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and host all in > > >> > > http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If not, which > is > > >> > harder > > >> > > to understand for me. > > >> > > > >> > Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to either Apache > or > > >> > Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF. > > >> > The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS record. > > >> > The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org. > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > This is a block for me. > > >> > > > > >> > > > Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group > like > > >> this: > > >> > > > > >> > > You changed some. But if you look clearly about the logo(GitHub > org > > >> > > avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the same, > which > > >> both > > >> > of > > >> > > them belong to ASF. > > >> > > Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared. > Especially, I > > >> > think > > >> > > Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so this should > be > > >> able > > >> > > to be fixed. > > >> > > > >> > I have no objection to rename the organization if this is an issue. > > >> > I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful just for > > >> > defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it. > > >> > Another way is to create another group with something other than > > >> > dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it. > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Dubbo is now incubated in ASF: > > >> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, > > >> > > this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily before the > > >> > > transition finishes. > > >> > > > > >> > > The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to be a > TLP, the > > >> > > PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do you want > about > > >> > your > > >> > > own repo. > > >> > > Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the specific ones > in > > >> the > > >> > > initial org, https://github.com/dubbo > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal > > >> > > [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/ > > >> > > [3] https://github.com/dubbo > > >> > > > > >> > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > >> > > > > >> > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin > > >> > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Ian Luo <ian....@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道： > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are > done. > > >> > Could > > >> > > > the > > >> > > > > Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1] org > to > > >> be > > >> > > > > processed well? Such as, > > >> > > > > 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo. > > >> > > > > 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other > > >> > way(community > > >> > > > > prefers) to avoid the branding concern. > > >> > > > > I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very important. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going. We > cannot > > >> > do it > > >> > > > for all because we need to examine the license and make sure > ICLA > > >> for > > >> > each > > >> > > > projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move everything > into > > >> > Apache > > >> > > > group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io > to > > >> > > > dubbo.apache.org. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group > like > > >> this: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem > > >> > > > Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF: > > >> > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group is for > > >> hosting > > >> > dubbo > > >> > > > eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I hope this can answer your concerns. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Regards, > > >> > > > -Ian. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu < > wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com > > >> > > > >> > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now > redirects > > >> to > > >> > > > > http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it may > be > > >> > that a > > >> > > > > little clean up still needs to be done but action is being > taken. > > >> The > > >> > > > > existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number of > times > > >> in > > >> > the > > >> > > > > project and projects are being moved off it. e.g. [1][2] and > more > > >> > > > recently > > >> > > > > [3][4]. > > >> > > > > > This document probably best describes what is happening [5]. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are > done. > > >> > Could > > >> > > > the > > >> > > > > Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1] org > to > > >> be > > >> > > > > processed well? Such as, > > >> > > > > 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo. > > >> > > > > 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other > > >> > way(community > > >> > > > > prefers) to avoid the branding concern. > > >> > > > > I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very important. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many > > >> > projects/developers, > > >> > > > so > > >> > > > > please consider to make sure the branding is clear before > > >> graduation. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled, > the > > >> > > > dependancy > > >> > > > > removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion > started on > > >> > legal > > >> > > > > discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note it > was > > >> the > > >> > PPMC > > >> > > > > who first noticed this issue not the IPMC. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason I asked > > >> about > > >> > > > > branding. > > >> > > > > Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s), many > > >> > > > > watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub. > > >> > > > > I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project, and the > PMC > > >> is > > >> > > > ready > > >> > > > > to find the license issue in first place. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > [1] https://github.com/dubbo > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin > > >> > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 > 上午7:19写道： > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi, > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache branding, > > >> then > > >> > why > > >> > > > > > > dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the exact > name > > >> and > > >> > > > logo. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now > redirects > > >> to > > >> > > > > > http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it > may be > > >> > that a > > >> > > > > > little clean up still needs to be done but action is being > > >> taken. > > >> > The > > >> > > > > > existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number of > > >> times > > >> > in > > >> > > > the > > >> > > > > > project and projects are being moved off it. e.g. [1][2] > and > > >> more > > >> > > > > recently > > >> > > > > > [3][4]. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > This document probably best describes what is happening [5]. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using Apache mail > > >> > list[3]. > > >> > > > But > > >> > > > > > > groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > I would guess this is just an oversight, but if someone > from the > > >> > PPMC > > >> > > > can > > >> > > > > > comment on this that would be good. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the Dubbo > name. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > See [5]. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache Dubbo > > >> > > > > > > Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue hasn't been > > >> > addressed > > >> > > > > > inside > > >> > > > > > > the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain thing(maybe), > > >> but at > > >> > > > this > > >> > > > > > > moment, it should not be included. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled, > the > > >> > > > dependancy > > >> > > > > > removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion > started > > >> on > > >> > > > legal > > >> > > > > > discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note > it was > > >> > the > > >> > > > PPMC > > >> > > > > > who first noticed this issue not the IPMC. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks, > > >> > > > > > Justin > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 1. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E > > >> > > > > > 2. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E > > >> > > > > > 3. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E > > >> > > > > > 4. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E > > >> > > > > > 5. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > >> general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > >> > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > >> general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > Best Regards！ > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Huxing > > >> > > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
