Hi, 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to > xxx-for-apache-dubbo
The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially for these three. I also used to see the traditional rename to xxx-for-apache-project 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release repo(npm), the description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right? If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used to be asked stop in the same case. Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which isn't. [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js Sheng Wu 吴晟 Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin Twitter, wusheng1108 Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:46写道： > Hi > > > 1. We will remove the organization avatar > > 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to other name > > 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name > dubbo.github.io, > > but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep website in > > this group > > 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to > > xxx-for-apache-dubbo > > Please discuss with your community, then make the decision. I just reply > the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the dubbo.github.io, > if the community wants), is also a good idea. > > I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my concern. I trust the > Dubbo community could make it right. > > Thanks. > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > Ian Luo <ian....@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道： > >> > >> > Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1], which >> concerns me >> > more are >> > 1. Website codebase. >> > 2. GitHub org name and logo. >> >> >> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be disallowed, we will do >> the >> following things against dubbo group: >> 1. We will remove the organization avatar >> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to other name >> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name dubbo.github.io >> , >> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep website in >> this group >> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to >> xxx-for-apache-dubbo >> >> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed once the actions >> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our mentors and >> hopefully get back to you soon. >> >> Regards, >> -Ian. >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <hux...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi. >> > > >> > > > As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going. We cannot >> > do it >> > > for all because we need to examine the license and make sure ICLA for >> > each >> > > projects are signed, >> > > >> > > I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which is decided by >> > the >> > > project owner or Dubbo community. >> > > >> > > > eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group except for >> the >> > > repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org. >> > > >> > > As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially you say >> > > `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional? >> > >> > No. The redirection has been completed. >> > You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io >> > The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME. >> > Other files are archive for the old website before joining ASF. >> > To make it better understandable, I think it is better to move them to >> > other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose. >> > I update the description and readme, removing the word "eventually". >> > >> > > Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section Initial Source, >> "Home >> > > Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"; >> > > If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait for that before >> > > graduation. >> > >> > IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io has been >> > redirected to dubbo.apache.org. >> > >> > > >> > > Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and host all in >> > > http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If not, which is >> > harder >> > > to understand for me. >> > >> > Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to either Apache or >> > Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF. >> > The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS record. >> > The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org. >> > >> > > >> > > This is a block for me. >> > > >> > > > Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group like >> this: >> > > >> > > You changed some. But if you look clearly about the logo(GitHub org >> > > avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the same, which >> both >> > of >> > > them belong to ASF. >> > > Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared. Especially, I >> > think >> > > Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so this should be >> able >> > > to be fixed. >> > >> > I have no objection to rename the organization if this is an issue. >> > I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful just for >> > defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it. >> > Another way is to create another group with something other than >> > dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it. >> > >> > > >> > > > Dubbo is now incubated in ASF: >> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, >> > > this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily before the >> > > transition finishes. >> > > >> > > The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to be a TLP, the >> > > PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do you want about >> > your >> > > own repo. >> > > Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the specific ones in >> the >> > > initial org, https://github.com/dubbo >> > > >> > > >> > > [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal >> > > [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/ >> > > [3] https://github.com/dubbo >> > > >> > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 >> > > >> > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin >> > > Twitter, wusheng1108 >> > > >> > > >> > > Ian Luo <ian....@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道： >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are done. >> > Could >> > > > the >> > > > > Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1] org to >> be >> > > > > processed well? Such as, >> > > > > 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo. >> > > > > 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other >> > way(community >> > > > > prefers) to avoid the branding concern. >> > > > > I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very important. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going. We cannot >> > do it >> > > > for all because we need to examine the license and make sure ICLA >> for >> > each >> > > > projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move everything into >> > Apache >> > > > group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to >> > > > dubbo.apache.org. >> > > > >> > > > Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group like >> this: >> > > > >> > > > Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem >> > > > Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF: >> > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group is for >> hosting >> > dubbo >> > > > eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes. >> > > > >> > > > I hope this can answer your concerns. >> > > > >> > > > Regards, >> > > > -Ian. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com >> > >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > > Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now redirects >> to >> > > > > http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it may be >> > that a >> > > > > little clean up still needs to be done but action is being taken. >> The >> > > > > existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number of times >> in >> > the >> > > > > project and projects are being moved off it. e.g. [1][2] and more >> > > > recently >> > > > > [3][4]. >> > > > > > This document probably best describes what is happening [5]. >> > > > > >> > > > > Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are done. >> > Could >> > > > the >> > > > > Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1] org to >> be >> > > > > processed well? Such as, >> > > > > 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo. >> > > > > 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other >> > way(community >> > > > > prefers) to avoid the branding concern. >> > > > > I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very important. >> > > > > >> > > > > Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many >> > projects/developers, >> > > > so >> > > > > please consider to make sure the branding is clear before >> graduation. >> > > > > >> > > > > > This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled, the >> > > > dependancy >> > > > > removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion started on >> > legal >> > > > > discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note it was >> the >> > PPMC >> > > > > who first noticed this issue not the IPMC. >> > > > > >> > > > > This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason I asked >> about >> > > > > branding. >> > > > > Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s), many >> > > > > watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub. >> > > > > I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project, and the PMC >> is >> > > > ready >> > > > > to find the license issue in first place. >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks. >> > > > > >> > > > > [1] https://github.com/dubbo >> > > > > >> > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 >> > > > > >> > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin >> > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108 >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午7:19写道： >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache branding, >> then >> > why >> > > > > > > dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the exact name >> and >> > > > logo. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now redirects >> to >> > > > > > http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it may be >> > that a >> > > > > > little clean up still needs to be done but action is being >> taken. >> > The >> > > > > > existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number of >> times >> > in >> > > > the >> > > > > > project and projects are being moved off it. e.g. [1][2] and >> more >> > > > > recently >> > > > > > [3][4]. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > This document probably best describes what is happening [5]. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using Apache mail >> > list[3]. >> > > > But >> > > > > > > groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I would guess this is just an oversight, but if someone from the >> > PPMC >> > > > can >> > > > > > comment on this that would be good. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the Dubbo name. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > See [5]. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache Dubbo >> > > > > > > Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue hasn't been >> > addressed >> > > > > > inside >> > > > > > > the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain thing(maybe), >> but at >> > > > this >> > > > > > > moment, it should not be included. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled, the >> > > > dependancy >> > > > > > removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion started >> on >> > > > legal >> > > > > > discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note it was >> > the >> > > > PPMC >> > > > > > who first noticed this issue not the IPMC. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks, >> > > > > > Justin >> > > > > > >> > > > > > 1. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E >> > > > > > 2. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E >> > > > > > 3. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E >> > > > > > 4. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E >> > > > > > 5. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status >> > > > > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: >> general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Best Regards！ >> > >> > >> > >> > Huxing >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > >> > >> >
