Hi > 1. We will remove the organization avatar > 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to other name > 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name dubbo.github.io, > but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep website in > this group > 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to > xxx-for-apache-dubbo
Please discuss with your community, then make the decision. I just reply the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the dubbo.github.io, if the community wants), is also a good idea. I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my concern. I trust the Dubbo community could make it right. Thanks. Sheng Wu 吴晟 Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin Twitter, wusheng1108 Ian Luo <ian....@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道： > > > > Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1], which concerns > me > > more are > > 1. Website codebase. > > 2. GitHub org name and logo. > > > Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be disallowed, we will do the > following things against dubbo group: > 1. We will remove the organization avatar > 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to other name > 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name dubbo.github.io, > but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep website in > this group > 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to > xxx-for-apache-dubbo > > Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed once the actions > above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our mentors and > hopefully get back to you soon. > > Regards, > -Ian. > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <hux...@apache.org> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going. We cannot > > do it > > > for all because we need to examine the license and make sure ICLA for > > each > > > projects are signed, > > > > > > I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which is decided by > > the > > > project owner or Dubbo community. > > > > > > > eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group except for > the > > > repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org. > > > > > > As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially you say > > > `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional? > > > > No. The redirection has been completed. > > You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io > > The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME. > > Other files are archive for the old website before joining ASF. > > To make it better understandable, I think it is better to move them to > > other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose. > > I update the description and readme, removing the word "eventually". > > > > > Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section Initial Source, > "Home > > > Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"; > > > If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait for that before > > > graduation. > > > > IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io has been > > redirected to dubbo.apache.org. > > > > > > > > Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and host all in > > > http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If not, which is > > harder > > > to understand for me. > > > > Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to either Apache or > > Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF. > > The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS record. > > The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org. > > > > > > > > This is a block for me. > > > > > > > Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group like > this: > > > > > > You changed some. But if you look clearly about the logo(GitHub org > > > avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the same, which > both > > of > > > them belong to ASF. > > > Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared. Especially, I > > think > > > Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so this should be > able > > > to be fixed. > > > > I have no objection to rename the organization if this is an issue. > > I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful just for > > defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it. > > Another way is to create another group with something other than > > dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it. > > > > > > > > > Dubbo is now incubated in ASF: > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, > > > this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily before the > > > transition finishes. > > > > > > The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to be a TLP, the > > > PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do you want about > > your > > > own repo. > > > Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the specific ones in > the > > > initial org, https://github.com/dubbo > > > > > > > > > [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal > > > [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/ > > > [3] https://github.com/dubbo > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin > > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > > > > Ian Luo <ian....@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are done. > > Could > > > > the > > > > > Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1] org to be > > > > > processed well? Such as, > > > > > 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo. > > > > > 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other > > way(community > > > > > prefers) to avoid the branding concern. > > > > > I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very important. > > > > > > > > > > > > As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going. We cannot > > do it > > > > for all because we need to examine the license and make sure ICLA for > > each > > > > projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move everything into > > Apache > > > > group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to > > > > dubbo.apache.org. > > > > > > > > Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group like > this: > > > > > > > > Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem > > > > Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF: > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group is for hosting > > dubbo > > > > eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes. > > > > > > > > I hope this can answer your concerns. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > -Ian. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now redirects > to > > > > > http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it may be > > that a > > > > > little clean up still needs to be done but action is being taken. > The > > > > > existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number of times > in > > the > > > > > project and projects are being moved off it. e.g. [1][2] and more > > > > recently > > > > > [3][4]. > > > > > > This document probably best describes what is happening [5]. > > > > > > > > > > Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are done. > > Could > > > > the > > > > > Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1] org to be > > > > > processed well? Such as, > > > > > 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo. > > > > > 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other > > way(community > > > > > prefers) to avoid the branding concern. > > > > > I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very important. > > > > > > > > > > Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many > > projects/developers, > > > > so > > > > > please consider to make sure the branding is clear before > graduation. > > > > > > > > > > > This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled, the > > > > dependancy > > > > > removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion started on > > legal > > > > > discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note it was > the > > PPMC > > > > > who first noticed this issue not the IPMC. > > > > > > > > > > This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason I asked > about > > > > > branding. > > > > > Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s), many > > > > > watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub. > > > > > I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project, and the PMC > is > > > > ready > > > > > to find the license issue in first place. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/dubbo > > > > > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > > > > > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin > > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午7:19写道： > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache branding, then > > why > > > > > > > dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the exact name > and > > > > logo. > > > > > > > > > > > > Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now redirects > to > > > > > > http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it may be > > that a > > > > > > little clean up still needs to be done but action is being taken. > > The > > > > > > existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number of times > > in > > > > the > > > > > > project and projects are being moved off it. e.g. [1][2] and > more > > > > > recently > > > > > > [3][4]. > > > > > > > > > > > > This document probably best describes what is happening [5]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using Apache mail > > list[3]. > > > > But > > > > > > > groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba > > > > > > > > > > > > I would guess this is just an oversight, but if someone from the > > PPMC > > > > can > > > > > > comment on this that would be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the Dubbo name. > > > > > > > > > > > > See [5]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache Dubbo > > > > > > > Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue hasn't been > > addressed > > > > > > inside > > > > > > > the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain thing(maybe), but > at > > > > this > > > > > > > moment, it should not be included. > > > > > > > > > > > > This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled, the > > > > dependancy > > > > > > removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion started > on > > > > legal > > > > > > discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note it was > > the > > > > PPMC > > > > > > who first noticed this issue not the IPMC. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Justin > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E > > > > > > 2. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E > > > > > > 3. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E > > > > > > 4. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E > > > > > > 5. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best Regards！ > > > > > > > > Huxing > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > >
