On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Joe Brockmeier <j...@zonker.net> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015, at 04:42 PM, Patrick Hunt wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > > <bdelacre...@apache.org > > > wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Joe Brockmeier <j...@zonker.net> > wrote: > > > > ...Sentry started with 24 committers/PPMC. It hasn't added any PPMC > > > members > > > > since its inception... > > > > > > If that's correct I'm -1 on graduating Sentry. > > > > > > and earlier he wrote: > > > > ..The model that Sentry is pursing may work very well *for the > existing > > > > members of the podling.* In my opinion, its process is entirely too > > > > opaque to allow for interested parties outside of the existing > podling > > > > and companies interested in Sentry development to become involved... > > > > > > Not having added any PPMC members seems to confirm that. > > > > > > > > Bertrand, imo this is a reasonable concern. I remember some discussion a > > while back on the sentry lists about it. Note that the community has > > highlighted it in their status reports, so it should be nothing > > new/surprising. iirc (and I'm summarizing here, please correct me if I > > get it wrong) the new committers have had varying levels of activity. > Some > > more active than others, but none that had reached ppmc status. Perhaps > the > > team should be more aggressive promoting folks, but I don't believe it's > out > > of exclusion or lack of understanding the Apache way. > > We generally shy away from discussing individuals on open lists w/r/t > "this person should/shouldn't be a PPMC member" type things, so I'm not > sure it'd be right to specifically point to any Sentry contributors as > an example. > > Understood. > I will say I can think of at least two Sentry contributors added since > Sentry entered incubation who seem just as active as other folks who > came in with the podling. When you say "reached PPMC status" I'm not > sure there's a clear signal to me that they're less worthy than the > folks ushered in with the podling. > > If that's the case as a ppmc member/mentor why not propose them for ppmc membership, start a discussion thread for each I mean. Perhaps others haven't seen the same thing you have, or more likely are not as sensitive to it. It's a great learning opportunity for the mentees. > You said it "sounds like" making more folks PPMC members is "in the > pipeline" - do you mean if Sentry graduates, or is there some other > discussion I've missed where that's being pondered? > > I don't know what the community might do re promoting folks as part of graduation. I've seen graduating projects do this in the past and it's fine. But I think that's not addressing the real concern being raised here. That's what I was trying to get at when I said "Seems artificial to me". This would be another such example. "Sounds like that's in the pipeline." I mean that mentors have given feedback in the past about increasing (new) PPMC diversity, there are a number of new committers that at active, it's just a matter of time. I'm not aware of any explicit discussions at this time either. Regards, Patrick > Best, > > jzb > -- > Joe Brockmeier > j...@zonker.net > Twitter: @jzb > http://www.dissociatedpress.net/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
