For HTTPd I was referring to the assertion from Justin earlier in this thread " 
FWIW, httpd always had nightly tarballs available for consumption and testing." 
(though reading that now I wonder if he meant source tarballs - which is an 
easy way of resolving this whole issue)

Ross

-----Original Message-----
From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:29 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Communicating intent around non-release, downstream 
integration binary artifacts

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
<ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> +1 (to this and Jochen's response)
>
> Roman was explicit in his question about "clearly identifiable non-release 
> artifacts available to the general public". We can debate words on a page 
> forever, or we can work with the intent and get on with producing software.
>
> There is plenty of precedent here (including the oldest project in the 
> foundation).

Link please? because I can't find it, and a couple of folks from the httpd PMC 
tell me this isn't the case.

I don't think there's a problem with snapshots or nightly builds being 
available. I do think there is a problem with promoting nightly builds, or even 
promoting them from the website.
I do think that the Release Policy is binding on projects, and more so on 
podlings that haven't kicked out a release yet.



More generally to the underlying issue that prompted this discussion:
With the concrete example of Geode's DockerHub presence, I don't think it's 
acceptable:
https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/apachegeode/geode/

Specifically, it's promoting folks consume a nightly build.
There's no warning that this hasn't met the ASF standards for software, or that 
this project hasn't even pushed out a release yet.
Then there's the fact that the dockerfile isn't even coming from the ASF it's 
coming from: https://github.com/markito/geode-docker

--David

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