Ok, I have updated the proposal to include the feedback received (there is a new paragraph about the relationship with Velocity, Commons and I have added Ralph and Sergio as mentors). Thanks to all of you.
Any other feedback? Should we move to the next step (that I think is starting a vote)? Cheers, Jacopo On May 26, 2015, at 8:17 AM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote: > While that is certainly a valid option, I would think that would be a topic > for determine how to exit the incubator. > > Ralph > >> On May 22, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Siegfried Goeschl >> <siegfried.goes...@it20one.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Daniel, >> >> regarding “lower bar for project sexiness and buzzwordyness” - another >> options would be using an existing ASF umbrella project, e.g. Apache >> Commons. There you find a lot “unsexy but heavily used stuff” … ;-) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Siegfried Goeschl >> >>> On 22 May 2015, at 19:31, Daniel Dekany <ddek...@freemail.hu> wrote: >>> >>> Technically (i.e., in source code), I don't think Velocity and >>> Freemarker can share much. It seems that they kind of share fate >>> though. Apparently, everyone has something more important to >>> contribute to. And that's fine, I say, because what put these template >>> engines into the spotlight 15(?) years ago was Web MVC, and legacy >>> JSP's deficiencies to server that paradigm. It was a hot topic back >>> then. But nowadays, just like in the case of Velocity (apparently), >>> finding guys who want to hack this project for free after coding all >>> day at the workplace, and instead of being with their families and all >>> that, is, well... challenging. And it seems companies don't care to >>> invest either by putting paid developers on it. (Certainly the same >>> companies wouldn't be too happy if Freemarker is suddenly EOL-ed, >>> though.) I guess there's some kind lower bar in project sexiness and >>> buzzwordyness under which life just stops when it comes to >>> contributions. Those same properties aren't needed for the project >>> being heavily used though. >>> >>> So that's where we stand. But does it mean these projects should die? >>> I don't think so. Does it mean that these projects are not for Apache? >>> I don't know that, you tell me! Surely I don't want FM to go into >>> incubation if failure is the most probable outcome. Can the >>> requirements for getting out from incubation successfully be >>> quantified? For the kind of project like this? >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> Daniel Dekany >>> >>> >>> Friday, May 22, 2015, 2:44:03 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: >>> >>>> I used to use Apache Velocity. However, it hasn’t had a release >>>> since 2010 and the overall project activity has been minimal for >>>> years. As a consequence of that, and a feature that was missing, I >>>> recently switched to using Freemarker for some templating work I >>>> needed to do. The only reason I mention Velocity is I am wondering >>>> what relationship these two projects should have, if any. I am also >>>> concerned that if interest in development of Freemarker is >>>> decreasing is it going to suffer the same fate? I guess what I am >>>> wondering is if there is some way these two communities and/or >>>> technologies could combine? >>>> >>>> FWIW, I’d be happy to mentor this project. If I had the time I know >>>> I’d want to commit, but that has been in extremely short supply of late. >>>> >>>> Ralph >>>> >>>> >>>>> On May 21, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz >>>>> <bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Sergio Fernández <wik...@apache.org> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> ...If you'd need any other mentor, I'm happy to help there (I'm >>>>>>> Incubator PMC >>>>>>> and ASF Member)... >>>>>> >>>>>> Currently I see three mentors and two committers at >>>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FreemarkerProposal, I'm not involved >>>>>> in that podling but it looks to me that additional committers might be >>>>>> more useful than more mentors. >>>>> >>>>> 4 Mentors is a good number, though! >>>>> >>>>> It's true that there aren't many initial committers, but the proposal >>>>> addresses this issue at length. >>>>> >>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FreemarkerProposal#Known_Risks >>>>> >>>>> While it continues to have a large user base, the active developer >>>>> community has become rather small at this point, and we think that the >>>>> "Apache Way" governance model and being part of the ASF (together with >>>>> other projects that are already using Freemarker) would help to bring new >>>>> life and energy to the project to better support the maintenance and >>>>> improvements of the Freemarker codebase. >>>>> >>>>> I think this is a reasonable plan and definitely worth a shot at >>>>> incubating. >>>>> The Incubator has a mixed history with podlings that start small, but >>>>> Freemarker has an advantage over many of those because it begins with a >>>>> large >>>>> user base and wide adoption. >>>>> >>>>> Marvin Humphrey >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
