While that is certainly a valid option, I would think that would be a topic for determine how to exit the incubator.
Ralph > On May 22, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Siegfried Goeschl > <siegfried.goes...@it20one.com> wrote: > > Hi Daniel, > > regarding “lower bar for project sexiness and buzzwordyness” - another > options would be using an existing ASF umbrella project, e.g. Apache Commons. > There you find a lot “unsexy but heavily used stuff” … ;-) > > Cheers, > > Siegfried Goeschl > >> On 22 May 2015, at 19:31, Daniel Dekany <ddek...@freemail.hu> wrote: >> >> Technically (i.e., in source code), I don't think Velocity and >> Freemarker can share much. It seems that they kind of share fate >> though. Apparently, everyone has something more important to >> contribute to. And that's fine, I say, because what put these template >> engines into the spotlight 15(?) years ago was Web MVC, and legacy >> JSP's deficiencies to server that paradigm. It was a hot topic back >> then. But nowadays, just like in the case of Velocity (apparently), >> finding guys who want to hack this project for free after coding all >> day at the workplace, and instead of being with their families and all >> that, is, well... challenging. And it seems companies don't care to >> invest either by putting paid developers on it. (Certainly the same >> companies wouldn't be too happy if Freemarker is suddenly EOL-ed, >> though.) I guess there's some kind lower bar in project sexiness and >> buzzwordyness under which life just stops when it comes to >> contributions. Those same properties aren't needed for the project >> being heavily used though. >> >> So that's where we stand. But does it mean these projects should die? >> I don't think so. Does it mean that these projects are not for Apache? >> I don't know that, you tell me! Surely I don't want FM to go into >> incubation if failure is the most probable outcome. Can the >> requirements for getting out from incubation successfully be >> quantified? For the kind of project like this? >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> Daniel Dekany >> >> >> Friday, May 22, 2015, 2:44:03 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: >> >>> I used to use Apache Velocity. However, it hasn’t had a release >>> since 2010 and the overall project activity has been minimal for >>> years. As a consequence of that, and a feature that was missing, I >>> recently switched to using Freemarker for some templating work I >>> needed to do. The only reason I mention Velocity is I am wondering >>> what relationship these two projects should have, if any. I am also >>> concerned that if interest in development of Freemarker is >>> decreasing is it going to suffer the same fate? I guess what I am >>> wondering is if there is some way these two communities and/or technologies >>> could combine? >>> >>> FWIW, I’d be happy to mentor this project. If I had the time I know >>> I’d want to commit, but that has been in extremely short supply of late. >>> >>> Ralph >>> >>> >>>> On May 21, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz >>>> <bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Sergio Fernández <wik...@apache.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> ...If you'd need any other mentor, I'm happy to help there (I'm >>>>>> Incubator PMC >>>>>> and ASF Member)... >>>>> >>>>> Currently I see three mentors and two committers at >>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FreemarkerProposal, I'm not involved >>>>> in that podling but it looks to me that additional committers might be >>>>> more useful than more mentors. >>>> >>>> 4 Mentors is a good number, though! >>>> >>>> It's true that there aren't many initial committers, but the proposal >>>> addresses this issue at length. >>>> >>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FreemarkerProposal#Known_Risks >>>> >>>> While it continues to have a large user base, the active developer >>>> community has become rather small at this point, and we think that the >>>> "Apache Way" governance model and being part of the ASF (together with >>>> other projects that are already using Freemarker) would help to bring new >>>> life and energy to the project to better support the maintenance and >>>> improvements of the Freemarker codebase. >>>> >>>> I think this is a reasonable plan and definitely worth a shot at >>>> incubating. >>>> The Incubator has a mixed history with podlings that start small, but >>>> Freemarker has an advantage over many of those because it begins with a >>>> large >>>> user base and wide adoption. >>>> >>>> Marvin Humphrey >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
