+1 well said. Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Benson Margulies<mailto:bimargul...@gmail.com> Sent: 12/29/2014 6:25 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org> Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
I'd like to look at this through a lens of failure analysis. How do podlings fail? I see two main patterns. 1. Failure to build a community. These are the podlings that we find adrift in space with the lights on but no one home on the mailing list. 2. Failure to build an _Apache_ community. These are the podlings that JimJag was referring to in another thread; they are here, perhaps, for the brand, perhaps launched/dumped here by a commercial enterprise. They have people, they make releases, but there's an empty resonant cavity where the Apache Way is supposed to be. We observe missing mentors in both cases, but I claim that it's only a serious problem in the second case. In the first case, the problem isn't lack of supervision. Here is where the 'Mentors in the Project' (whether directly reporting to the board or not) leaps up and looks like a great idea to me. The whole goal of incubation is to run an Apache project on training wheels. How does an Apache project run? WIth a chair and PMC members supervising it and _reporting to the board_. The proposal, as I see it, is to tell the champion and other mentors that they, and not the entire IPMC in some nebulous fashion, are the PMC in the PPMC. By the time the podling graduates, their need to have expanded themselves to a larger group. The board may choose to keep the IPMC around to organize and support this process. The board may choose to continue to ask the IPMC to add an extra layer of supervision. But the heart of the proposal is to insist that every podling be nucleated around at least three people who have the experience to operate as a PMC and have volunteered for the responsibility. On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 6:40 AM, Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> wrote: >> Roman, please forgive me absence from this conversation. I started the >> thread, and then went on Christmas vacation. I am still on vacation for >> another week, but will attempt to keep up with the conversation here, and >> not abandon the thread I started. Please also forgive the dozen responses >> that I'm dropping all at once. > > This totally makes two of us. Every time Christmas season begins this is > very much the predicament I find myself in. > > Thanks, > Roman. > > P.S. Not even sure whether it would be better to simply go away 100% so > at least folks get a nice auto-responder email while I can't be present > anyway. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
