On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote: >... > 1. A number of people think that all mentors should have been signing all > reports all along, so that changing the template as part of clarifying this > is not a big deal.
Sure. The mentors should be part of the community. They are there to demonstrate and help with managing the health of the community. > 2. We need the shepherds to compensate for mentor shortages in addition to > discovering those. I disagree. In short, you are conflating mentors with IPMC Members. They serve *very* different roles. Mentors are there to show the nascent community how to operate within Apache. To answer questions, to guide, to demonstrate by example. Hopefully, they will also directly participate in the work of the project. IPMC Members (the shepherds) are there to assist with proper oversight. In the past, the Mentors were not doing this. Following the model of the Board, the shepherds were introduced to ensure that the IPMC was performing its oversight job. As a whole, the IPMC was *not* doing this. It was collecting reports (or more precisely, the VP was collecting and passing them along while everybody else paid little attention). It was very arguable that oversight was being performed, beyond the *implicit* oversight of Mentors who were on the IPMC. As you're aware, to properly protect committers, we need the chain of oversight all the way up to the Board. The shepherds, in their role as IPMC Members are ensuring that the IPMC is providing oversight of its various podlings. This is reflected in the report to the Board, which then performs its oversight protection, which completes the chain. The roles of Mentors and shepherds are very different, and I do not think you should attempt to conflate them. The Mentor "sign-off" is really about demonstrating that the Mentor is paying attention, and that the report is a reasonably accurate representation of what is occuring within the community/code. >... Cheers, -g --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
