Empirically, Model 1 did not work. That's been tried over the past ten years.
*shrug* ... whatever you want to do. I just wanted to speak up that you appeared to be conflating the mentor and shepherd roles (as they had been defined over the past couple months). If you *intend* to combine them (Model 1), then fine. Cheers, -g On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > 2. We need the shepherds to compensate for mentor shortages in addition >> to >> > discovering those. >> >> I disagree. >> >> In short, you are conflating mentors with IPMC Members. They serve >> *very* different roles. >> > > Greg, let me start by writing that I am not in some hurry to turn shepherds > into pie. If they turn out to be a part of the long-term landcape, no > worries here. On the other hand, let me try to refine my idea of why they > should wither away. > > Model 1: The IPMC members supervise the podlings. This is > delegated/scaled/divided-and-conquered by the mentors, who are IPMC > members. Mentors supervise in addition coaching and guiding. If they do > this job correctly, we would not need shepherds. In support of this model, > I'll point out that we require mentors to be IPMC members. Why do we do > this, if mentoring is not part of the supervisory process? > > Model 2: The mentors are the good cops, exercising a light touch, so we > need some other IPMC members to perform supervision. Thus, shepherds. Greg, > if I'm messed up your logic here, please excuse me. > > When I serve on a non-I-PMC, I read every message on dev, user, and > private, and I try to pay some attention to commits. We don't ask shepherds > to do anything like that. I've always thought that we asked mentors to do > that. > > So, it seems to me, if we prefer model (2), we not only need shepherds, we > need to ask more of them. If we prefer model (1), we need to continue to > work to achieve a situation where every podling has a sufficiency of > active, supervising mentors -- and identifying people in the podlings who > have earned that role is one way to do it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
