On Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 07:49 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Upayavira wrote on Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 06:48:28 +0000: > > Having said that, I personally would like to see some kind of separation > > between mentors and the incubator PMC. I think th PMC should be a > > smaller, more active group who take a more active interest in the > > incubator as it is, and perhaps are voted in by proper meritocracy > > rules, and mentors are more interested in justd their project. > > > > Not sure how to structure this in tems of voting rights though. > > > > What voting rights? The ability of non-"smaller, more active group" > mentors to cast "PMC +1" votes on releases? > > How about simply making those people full-fledged, equal-right PMC > members _for the duration of their mentorship_. (That is: have them > join the PMC when they start mentoring a podling, and resign from the > PMC when that podling graduates or retires, or they step down from > mentorship.) We trust them with exactly that power today...
If you had mentors who weren't incubator PMC members, they wouldn't be able to make binding votes. Upayavira > > > Upayavira > > > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 03:20 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > I want to thank all of you for the vote(s) of confidence in > > > > recommending me > > > > as the IPMC chair. While it's always possible that the Board will > > > > decline > > > > the suggestion, it doesn't seem too terribly presumptuous to start > > > > looking > > > > ahead. > > > > > > > > My goal is to continue along the path blazed by Jukka, and then, like > > > > him, > > > > hand over. So, set your egg-timers for a bit more than a year, and > > > > think, > > > > please, about stepping up. > > > > > > > > I think that the shepherd system has worked well. At the same time, I > > > > think > > > > that it was invented to compensate for a problem, and that we could make > > > > additional progress toward resolving that problem. > > > > > > > > Why do we have shepherds? Because we have had mentors who have found it > > > > impractical to exercise detailed supervision on the podlings. Our job > > > > as an > > > > entire PMC is to supervise the podlings. It seems logical to me that the > > > > mentors of each podling would provide that supervision. Of course, > > > > things > > > > happen. Shepherds have been helping to detect holes and compensate for > > > > those things. > > > > > > > > With this idea in mind, for December, I do not want to eliminate > > > > shepherds. > > > > But I want to float a proposal that might, over time, help us stop > > > > needing > > > > them. > > > > > > > > At the bottom of the template for each podling's report, I'd like to > > > > have a > > > > space for each of the mentors, every month, to reaffirm his or her > > > > involvement in the podling. Thus, instead of (at most) one mentor > > > > signing > > > > off on the report, itself, we'd get a reading on how many mentors are in > > > > the game. If the number were less than 3 -- and -- especially, if it > > > > were > > > > less than one, we'd be alerted and could make it a priority to find > > > > replacements. > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > +1 on the general idea. > > > > > > Personally, I believe that anything that simplifies the structure of > > > the incubation > > > process is a good thing. > > > > > > On that same note -- my current understanding is that the mentor > > > assignment is > > > pretty permanent for the duration of the incubation -- if that's > > > indeed the case, > > > perhaps having a more fluid process of mentor checking out and stepping > > > up > > > to help a project would also help us have a more positive experience for > > > the > > > poddlings. > > > > > > IOW, for any other TLP there's a presumption that a single PMC (or > > > committer) > > > can have a certain amount of down time when, for whatever reason, they > > > may > > > completely go dark as far project involvement is concerned. I'm not sure > > > there's > > > such an option for a mentor. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Roman. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
