On May 24, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: > > On May 24, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Arvind Prabhakar wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Ralph Goers >> <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>wrote: >> >>> The ONLY issue I see for Flume to graduate is diversity. No one will >>> convince me that the current makeup constitutes diversity of any kind. >>> >>> Perhaps I shouldn't have brought up the mailing list issues as that was >>> only meant in the spirit of trying to offer some advice on how more >>> diversity could be achieved. Flume is really the only community I >>> participate in that contains Cloudera employees so I do find myself >>> wondering if the way the project is run is because that is the way all >>> projects with a large number of Cloudera employees are run. That might >>> make all of those participants comfortable but might create a barrier to >>> others. >>> >> >> Here are the committers who have been active in the past three months: >> >> * Brock Noland (Cloudera) >> * Hari Shreedharan (Cloudera) >> * Jarek Jarcec Cecho (AVG Technologies) >> * Juhani Connolly (CyberAgent) >> * Mike Percy (Cloudera) >> * Mingjie Lai (Trend Micro) >> * Prasad Mujumdar (Cloudera) >> * Will McQueen (Cloudera) >> * Arvind Prabhakar (Cloudera) >> >> There are four companies represented in this list: AVG Technologies, >> Cloudera, CyberAgent and Trend Micro. Compared to other projects that have >> successfully graduated from Incubator in the past, this meets the diversity >> requirements very well. > > I was mistaken and the list above is indeed correct. For some reason I > thought a couple of them had become Cloudera employees. > > However, none of those three are currently on the PPMC. When you look at the > PPMC list you should also include a few more Cloudera people who do > participate in release votes and PPMC issues. Most, if not all, of the > non-Cloudera PMC members don't.
I started reading some of the Flume website and I think that when you go to the main Wiki page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLUME/Index When you click on the "Flume Cookbook" the resource is at cloudera.org. http://archive.cloudera.com/cdh/3/flume/Cookbook/ This page lists "flume-...@cloudera.org" and is a file with a revision dated May 7, 2012. You can make you own conclusions, but it looks like podling resources need to be migrated to the ASF. Regards, Dave > > > >> >> >>> >>> In any case - I'm not insisting that the way the project is run needs to >>> change. I'm simply saying I cannot support graduation with the current >>> makeup of the committers and PMC. I don't have a hard and fast ratio - >>> gaining 10 new unaffiliated committers who don't do much isn't nearly as >>> good as 2 or 3 who are very active. Ultimately the project needs to figure >>> out how to solve this. >>> >> >> Stating that some committers "who don't do much isn't nearly as good as 2 >> or 3 who are very active" is an unfair characterization. This is more >> unfair for those who are part of the project but have not been active >> lately due to whatever reasons, but have played a foundational role in >> getting the project to a point where it is today. I think they are as >> important as any other committer who may be very active at the moment. >> Merit once earned, never expires [1]. >> >> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#committer-set-term > > I think you misunderstood my point or I didn't state it very well. Diversity > isn't achieved simply by having bodies. IOW I am not suggesting offering > commit rights to people who haven't earned it just to meet some ratio. > However, I am not suggesting the project has ever even considered doing that. > > Ralph > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
