On May 24, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Arvind Prabhakar wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Ralph Goers > <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>wrote: > >> The ONLY issue I see for Flume to graduate is diversity. No one will >> convince me that the current makeup constitutes diversity of any kind. >> >> Perhaps I shouldn't have brought up the mailing list issues as that was >> only meant in the spirit of trying to offer some advice on how more >> diversity could be achieved. Flume is really the only community I >> participate in that contains Cloudera employees so I do find myself >> wondering if the way the project is run is because that is the way all >> projects with a large number of Cloudera employees are run. That might >> make all of those participants comfortable but might create a barrier to >> others. >> > > Here are the committers who have been active in the past three months: > > * Brock Noland (Cloudera) > * Hari Shreedharan (Cloudera) > * Jarek Jarcec Cecho (AVG Technologies) > * Juhani Connolly (CyberAgent) > * Mike Percy (Cloudera) > * Mingjie Lai (Trend Micro) > * Prasad Mujumdar (Cloudera) > * Will McQueen (Cloudera) > * Arvind Prabhakar (Cloudera) > > There are four companies represented in this list: AVG Technologies, > Cloudera, CyberAgent and Trend Micro. Compared to other projects that have > successfully graduated from Incubator in the past, this meets the diversity > requirements very well.
I was mistaken and the list above is indeed correct. For some reason I thought a couple of them had become Cloudera employees. However, none of those three are currently on the PPMC. When you look at the PPMC list you should also include a few more Cloudera people who do participate in release votes and PPMC issues. Most, if not all, of the non-Cloudera PMC members don't. > > >> >> In any case - I'm not insisting that the way the project is run needs to >> change. I'm simply saying I cannot support graduation with the current >> makeup of the committers and PMC. I don't have a hard and fast ratio - >> gaining 10 new unaffiliated committers who don't do much isn't nearly as >> good as 2 or 3 who are very active. Ultimately the project needs to figure >> out how to solve this. >> > > Stating that some committers "who don't do much isn't nearly as good as 2 > or 3 who are very active" is an unfair characterization. This is more > unfair for those who are part of the project but have not been active > lately due to whatever reasons, but have played a foundational role in > getting the project to a point where it is today. I think they are as > important as any other committer who may be very active at the moment. > Merit once earned, never expires [1]. > > [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#committer-set-term I think you misunderstood my point or I didn't state it very well. Diversity isn't achieved simply by having bodies. IOW I am not suggesting offering commit rights to people who haven't earned it just to meet some ratio. However, I am not suggesting the project has ever even considered doing that. Ralph --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
