On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: > My apologies for the diversion. I should not have said anything about my > direct knowledge of a champion being an IPMC member or not. Whether I knew > that or not was irrelevant to the point I wanted to make, which is now > evidently lost. > > 1. I find value in the idea of the original champion continuing as a champion > over the life of the PPMC (unless replaced) and serving as a mentor of the > mentors. > > 2. I do not find value in that role being taken over by a non-mentor PPMC > member because of the hazards already mentioned and because a champion has > karma that PPMC members do not. Losing such a resource (and a go-to person > when mentor-support is MIA, and vice versa) strikes me as too costly/risky. > Also, it strikes me as important that a graduatable PPMC not have any > indispensable members. One way to ensure that is to keep the > responsibilities diffuse and also accounted for. >
The project will still have mentors who each have the required karma. Currently the champion is not a got-to-person when mentors are missing (you are arguably lucky in OOo, you have a number of very active and engaged mentors, there are some projects with none). If mentors a MIA then the go-to-person today is the general@ list. So this proposal does not affect the status quo in this situation. Finally, let me assure you that in a healthy project (i.e. one ready to graduate) there are no indespensible people. A Champion is *just* an analogue of a PMC chair. PMC chairs do not have any additional ability over and above PMC members, they have additional responsibilities, but not capabilities. A good champion/chair will be ensuring the PMC is *collectively* capable of carrying out its duties. A good PMC chair/champion makes it her business to be dispensable. Ross > - Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: sebb [mailto:seb...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 02:08 > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation > coordinator" (was: should podlings have informal chairs?) > > On 24 November 2011 03:29, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton >> <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: >>> I'm sorry. I did not mean to suggest that the champion of the PPMC of >>> which I am a member is any of those cases. I'm certain our champion is an >>> ASF Member. I haven't checked to see if the champion is a member of the >>> IPMC, though I wouldn't be surprised. >> >> You (as a committer) can verify that for yourself by looking here: >> >> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/committee-info.txt > > Or consult the public > > http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator-pmc > > which *should* be the same (it's the LDAP committee list for incubator). > >>> I was not speaking on behalf of champions being elected at all. The case >>> in my experience is where a champion continued championing after the >>> podling was established. >>> >>> - Dennis >> >> - Sam Ruby >> > [ ... ] > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
